Simon Fraser University

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Subject: Simon Fraser University
I spent some time today looking up the list of the world´s 100 best universities. I came across with many different sources. Every one of them indicated that University of Toronto was ranked the best Canadian university among all others. The second and the third are UBC and McGill. Some ranked UBC higher than McGill, while some ranked McGill higher than UBC, depending on the sources. The forth best Canadian unviersity, to my huge surprise, was apparently MacMaster. In some other sources, Queen´s appeared, and MacMaster was gone. It really depends. However, I can´t help it but wonder... Why is Simon Fraser University not on the list? Even many universities from China were on the lists, both Top 100 and Top 200, and yet, SFU didn´t make it to any of the two? So basically the lists are saying that SFU is not EVEN in the Top 200? That is just total BS. SFU is ranked the 4th best comprehensive school (by MacLean´s) this year, the 3rd best last year, and even the 1st in 2000, 1997, 1994, and 1993. Now these sources are telling me that SFU is not even in the top 200? Does anyone here go to SFU like I do? Any comments and remarks?
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All depends on the ranking criteria. That big Chinese study used the number of nobels laureates or something as a major consideration. Others look at size of library holdings and number of graduate programs. St F-X is considered one of the best undergrad schools in Canada, possibly North America (out of public schools), but it will never make any lists except Macleans.
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SFU has a very fine reputation in Canada as a comprehensive university.

However, it certainly does not have an international reputation like the University of Toronto, UBC, McGill or even McMaster because SFU is simply not a research-intensive university. Not only is SFU not known as a research intensive university in the world, its not even known as such a university in Canada. SFU´s peers are not UT, UBC or McGill, but rather, UVic (which attracts more research funding than SFU by the way), York and Carleton. (See Research Infosoure). SFU does have a modest number of graduate programs (less than 30 PhD programs) that are of high quality, most notably in the liberal arts and sciences.

Research intensive universities, because of their graduate programs, (UT has 75 PhD programs, UBC has about 90, for example) amount of research conducted, research facilities, financial and library resources will attract the best faculty and students in the world.

That is why you see the major research intensive universities of the world dominate the top 100 on the lists of many rankings.

Don´t be discouraged if you go to SFU. I believe that SFU is in the top 350, according to the ranking done by Shanghai Jaiotong University, although the THES ranking only ranks the top 200.

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McMaster University should not be a big surprise to anyone that it is ranked fourth in Canada internationally by some rankings.

It was Canada´s Research University of the Year 2004, according to Research Infosource, and ranks first in Canada as the most research intensive university, a measure of research income per full-time faculty member in 2006, beating out UT and McGill.

The Maclean´s rankings should not be taken too seriously; you probably have heard that 12 universities recently withdrew their participation in the rankings for what they saw as flawed methodology in Maclean´s rankings.

The list of universities withdrawing includes SFU.

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Concordia > Simon Fraser

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I do not believe that Concordia is better than SFU.

SFU has more sponsored research income than Concordia, and ranks higher in terms of research intensity.

Not only does SFU have a better faculty, it attracts some of the finest students across Canada. In fact, entrance admissions requirements at SFU are very high: a minimum of 80 % is required for Arts; for Applied Sciences, it ranges from 80-85 %, with Business being 86 %.

Programs at SFU are generally of high quality across the board, not just in a few areas like business or journalism, for which Concordia is known for.

There have also been quite a few prominent grads from SFU. These include 2 former premiers of BC (Glen Clark and Ujal Dosanjh) and one current (Gordon Campbell), the current mayor of Vancouver (Sam Sullivan), Olympic athletes (gold medalist Daniel Igali, for eg.), CFL football players (Lui Passaglia, for eg.), and business leaders such as the current owner of the Vancouver Canucks hockey team.

Terry Fox was also a student at SFU.

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The problem with SFU and UBC is it is too East-Asian. As an Asian myself, I know Asians are too quiet in the classroom. They never contribute much in the classroom, so I think schools with less Asians and more diversity in its student body is better.

Therefore, I´d pick Concordia over SFU anyday.

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So you want more contributions in class.

What I´ve found is the many of the weaker students tend to talk the most. They perform poorer on assignments and exams, and so need to boost up their marks.

The stronger students, those who do better on assignments and exams (usually the Asian ones) are the quietest.

Still, it is better for these students to talk more; they have much to contribute.

I´d choose the school that has the academically stronger students, not the schools that have the most talkative students.

In this case, SFU.

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^then u better not go to york.
they accept anyone with 70% av

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The graduates that are able to communicate most effectively during the job interviews will be hired, so the typical shy Asian kid with the high GPA will be overlooked.

You have to remember the white-majority of Canada doesn´t think like Asians. Asians think the prestige of a university and high GPAs are important, but in reality few corporate managers even ask what your final GPA is or why did you choose to study at ABC university.

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Where I´m from, Vancouver, the whites seem to be the minority; Asians and South Asians are highly visible.

You´re also stereotyping; many students with high GPAs tend to be very active in extracurricular activities inside and outside university. These students include Asians. Hence, students with high GPAs are not merely bookworms.

Asians also tend to major in the professions and technical fields. Programs in business and engineering, for example offer co-op work terms. I know friends (yes, many of them Asian) who were hired right after grad, not because of high GPAs, but because of their expertise and experience.


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