New perspective on ranking Canada's best

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Subject: New perspective on ranking Canada's best
The following factors confirm the University of Toronto´s status as Canada´s preeminent research university. Note, the stress is on research capacity, and not reputation. It´s obvious that a university´s quality of research is the basis for its reputation.

Here is a comparison of University of Toronto to McGill and UBC, widely acknowledged as Canada´s top three research universities.

Endownment:

1. University of Toronto - $ 1.7 billion
2. McGill - $ 794 million
3. UBC - $ 644 million

Research Income (2005):

1. University of Toronto - $ 623, 995
2. McGill - $ 543, 497
4. UBC - $ 363, 337

Source: Research Infosource

Research Impact and Total Citations:

Total number of scientific papers published 2000-2004:
1. University of Toronto - 25, 883 papers
2. UBC - 14, 819 papers
3. McGill - 13, 996 papers

In total citations, the University of Toronto topped 15 fields, whereas UBC ranked first in 4 fields.

Average Citations per paper from 2000-2004:
The University of Toronto ranked first in five fields, UBC ranked first in one field, and McGill does not show.

Source: Scientific Thomson

Conclusion: The University of Toronto is Canada´s finest research university. In fact, it produces the second highest amount of research second only to Harvard in North America. This is not suprising, since it is simply Canada´s largest university and has an unrivalled endowment. This research capacity is the foundation for its reputation. This research capacity is what counts, not a university´s perceived reputation based on past accomplishments.


[19-10-2006,17:44]
Anonymous
(in reply to: New perspective on ranking Canada's best)
UofT: over 70k students
UBC: over 45K students
McGill: 30K students

after normalization based on number of students or faculty
Endowment per student: McGill $25,675, UofT $23,608, UBC $14,720
from Research Infosource:
Faculty research intensity: McGill ranked 1st, UofT 3rd, UBC 9th
Graduate student research intensity: McGill 8th, UBC 18th, UofT 21st
Publication Intensity: McGill 1st, UofT 2nd, UBC 4th

Conclusion: once you normalize the total numbers on a per student or faculty basis, it is clear that McGill is the top university in the country based on research, funding and endowment, hence its reputation as the Harvard of Canada.

[19-10-2006,21:36]
Anonymous
(in reply to: New perspective on ranking Canada's best)
You have only one source to make your claims: Research Infosource.
[19-10-2006,23:02]
Anonymous
(in reply to: New perspective on ranking Canada's best)
your data from Thomson is again, total number of citations

try normalizing it yourself, and you´ll see that in terms of university size, McGill will still be the most research intensive. have a nice day.

[20-10-2006,00:31]
Anonymous
(in reply to: New perspective on ranking Canada's best)
so is it Mcgill or UofT??
[20-10-2006,02:00]
Anonymous
(in reply to: New perspective on ranking Canada's best)
it´s UBC
[20-10-2006,02:14]
Anonymous
(in reply to: New perspective on ranking Canada's best)
UofT, 60000 students spread on three campus.

McGill/UBC, 30000/50000 stuck in one campus.

Great comparison, genius.

[20-10-2006,03:07]
Anonymous
(in reply to: New perspective on ranking Canada's best)
The Canadian Sibling Rivalry:

Toronto is the big and ugly younger brother and Montreal is the sexy older sister.

Toronto makes more money, but Montreal has more style.

Toronto loves work, and Montreal loves life.


[20-10-2006,03:17]
Anonymous
(in reply to: New perspective on ranking Canada's best)
so what if it´s over 3 campuses, your data shows TOTAL endowment, research funding and output. this total comes from all three campuses. you think research infosource and thomson decided to only count the research and funding of only one campus?

btw
from Wikipedia:
UofT - Undergraduates 52,500 full-time, 6,600 part-time (2005)
Postgraduates 10,300 full-time, 2,100 part-time (2005)
that´s well over 70k

UBC - Undergraduates 38,500
Postgraduates 8,000
that´s less than 50k

[20-10-2006,03:23]
Anonymous
(in reply to: New perspective on ranking Canada's best)
Ummm, according to your precious research infosource McGill is number 1. Yes, UofT publishes more papers and has more research money in total. However, McGill publishes more papers and wins more more grant money than UofT per faculty member. In fact, that is why McGill is number one in Canada according to research infosource. Realize that McGill faculty is about 3/4 the size of UofT. Bigger my friend does not translate to better. Size does not matter.
[20-10-2006,05:30]
Anonymous
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Oh yes, I forgot to add. I never understand why folks at UofT put so much stress on a stupid press release (i.e. Thompson Corp). Yes I know what Thompson Corp is, but let me me make this clear: NEVER HAS IT ATTEMPTED TO RANK UNIVERSITIES. You guys are desperate to try to put so much weight on a two paragraph press release published in the bowels of Thompson Corp´s web-site about which universities published the most in in a given year in a small subset of scientific displines. That is very sad ...
[20-10-2006,05:37]
Anonymous
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Size does matter, when it translates to quantity AND quality.

Study the published results from Scientific Thomson, again.

Not only does the University of Toronto lead in Total Citations, (number of published papers), it also leads in Research Impact (AVERAGE citations per paper). Again, UofT lead in FIVE fields, UBC lead in ONE, and McGill did not lead in ANY.

The University of Toronto faculty have also won almost a quarter of all national awards, even though its faculty comprises only 7 percent of all university faculty in the
country.

The University of Toronto library is ranked the third best research library-the hallmark of a great research university-in North America, after Harvard and Yale.

Source: The Association of Research Libraries

[20-10-2006,05:47]
Anonymous
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LOL, I love the kid who says that you shouldn´t pay attention to the stats from Thomsom Corp because it´s just a "press release"! WTF does that mean? If you read through the statistics they provide as well as their summary it is more then clear that they hold UofT to be the top research University in Canada, while McGill is not even mentioned! I mean, if McGill was as good as you lead yourself to believe, you´d think they´d at least be mentioned for one category (and I´m not talking total citations, I´m talking IMPACT).

Sorry, but this isn´t even worth debating. Go ask your prof´s and they´ll tell you that UofT is better than McGill. It´s common knowledge by know. Maybe we could have this debate like 50 years ago, but times have changes, people.

[20-10-2006,21:51]
Anonymous
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Again, it isn?t "common knowledge" that UofT is the best in Canada. If it?s "common knowledge", then UofT has to be known in the first place. It isn?t. It?s a nobody school, a no-name outside of Canada. I?ve said this before and I?ll say this again. Not only can McGill boast about it?s accomplishments and #1 rankings (THES, Maclean?s, Research Infosource), but it also has the reputation and prestige to go along with it. UofT does not have anything. It can boast about their library holdings, their research this research that, but in the end, it will always be known as a 2nd or 3rd rate anonymous school in a nice country while McGill continues to be known as the premier university of this country.

[21-10-2006,00:36]
Anonymous



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