Toughest major cont

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Subject: Toughest major cont
Instead of being elitist, I will be convinced that engineering is the toughest program if you provide me with the following information: 1) the drop-out rate of engineer programs compared with other programs such as medicine, law, arts, and science, as well as 2) the average entering grade of each of these programs (because drop-out rates will be affected by average entering grades). Otherwise, nobody will be believe you that engineering is tough if the best you can say is that it involves calculus.
[22-08-2006,21:25]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Toughest major cont)
exactly, all I see engineers claim is they learn more than just math... Guess what, that´s the same with almost every other major... computer science, economics, actural science, physics, statistics and many others.

they take introductory courses in other discipline and claim they´re easy... well, INTRO COURESES ARE EASY IN EVERY DISCIPLINE.

[22-08-2006,21:35]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Toughest major cont)
Calculus is not a big deal to me, i only used it as an example of a course that beats the living shit out of anyone who isnt in engineering, math or certain branches of science.

You says that all of these programs involve higher than calc 1: Financial analysis, economist, actural scienctist, psychology

1)NO UNDERGRADUATE BUSINESS COURSES WHEATHER IT BE ECONOMICS OR FINANCE INVOLVE ANYTHING HIGHER THAN CALC 1.

2) Actuary science is an awesome degree, and im sure they do their fair share of math.

3)Psychology? are you joking? if you think that undergraduate psychology students need to learn anythign above calc 1 you must be retarded, or in highschool. I highly doubt psyc student even need calc 1, at any school.

[22-08-2006,21:38]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Toughest major cont)
Engineering school is basically a 5 year program squished into 4 years. Engineering school trains the students in Math, Science, business and design. Thats a pretty broad focus is you ask me, engineers cannot just focus on one thing and thats part of what makes engineering so difficult.

On top of that WE ALSO TAKE ARTS ELECTIVES JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. So dont try to say that engineers arent well rounded or have no literary skills, its a horrible steriotype. The only reason that some people have that perception of engineers is because there are alot of forien engineers in Canada.

[22-08-2006,21:47]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Toughest major cont)
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1)NO UNDERGRADUATE BUSINESS COURSES WHEATHER IT BE ECONOMICS OR FINANCE INVOLVE ANYTHING HIGHER THAN CALC 1. "

There´s no point to argue with you after seeing the first comment.

Economics is a business coures? Economics is a social science.

Finance, and Economics both deal with high level of mathematics, namely statistics, multivarable calculus, linear programming, and some real analysis. Why don´t you consult some final exams of upper year coures in these disciplines, rather than speaking from what you learn in your introductory courses.

[22-08-2006,21:54]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Toughest major cont)
shut up. toughest major is engineering, if you are not an engineer then you are not going to have a good life and will have extremely low pay. engineering @ lakehead or mit are probably the only schools that will get you this good life
[22-08-2006,21:59]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Toughest major cont)
Alot of students get a business degree majoring in economics, but i suppose it is a social science as well. If you look at the course description for any economics math course you wont be impressed, sayign that they learn mulivariable doesnt really indicate much to me, and linear programming doesnt impress either. If anything economics majors learn alot more statistics than calculus which they learn evry little of.
[22-08-2006,22:09]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Toughest major cont)
economics and finance majors THINK they learn hgih level math, but really all that they learn can be summarized by one course: calc 1
[22-08-2006,22:11]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Toughest major cont)
1) Calculus 2 is a prerequisite for some courses in economics at McGill (I just checked).

2) You bet being an actuary is awesome! They make a lot of money, particularly in the US. It is also very hard to be fully certified. There are currenly only 10,850 fully certified members in the US (www.soa.org, search membership statistics). This is a lot less than the number of engineers. Acuary therefore harder than engineering.

3) Do not put down psychologists simply because they don´t do calculus. So, you might have gotten an A in introductory psychology (so have I). But psychology is one of the domains of science that uses the highest levels of statistics. I´d like to see how you do the same level of multivariate statistics as psychology graduate students do! You´d probably fail in that as you would in english literature and philosophy.

[22-08-2006,22:13]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Toughest major cont)
uuhh i dont know if youve noticed, but i never put down actuary science, as far as im concerned its right up there with engineering. I think it may be a new profession, most highschool students wouldnt even know what it is... im not suprised that there are so few acutuaries

On another note, i would totally destroy any psychology course thorwn at me at any time. I take courses you consider hard as my electives, YOUR PROGRAM REQUIRED COURSES HELP ME RAISE MY GPA SO I CAN STAY IN ENGINEERING. Anything required of a psychology student is a walk in the park for an engineer.

[22-08-2006,22:21]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Toughest major cont)
I am not a psychologist idiot. Some psychologist you´d make!
[22-08-2006,22:23]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Toughest major cont)
I beginning to think you´re not even an engineering student. Engineering students typically cannot take many elective courses. So mathematically (although I have noticed you have difficulty in this subject), I do not see how it is possible that elective courses can boost your GPA that much for you to remain in engineering.

Also, this may be hard for you to understand given the bubble you live in, but calculus is a very small branch of mathematics. You say you have respect for actuaries (btw, they have been around for a long time -- since antiquity) and you don´t for psychologists, but did you know they use the same mathametics in their research. Both use advanced multivariate statistics! Actuaries to determine life expectancy and psychologists to determine whether they can infer behavior to the general population. I happen to be neither, I am in another branch of science. But I respect them, like I respect all branches of science.

What I cannot tolerate are people like you who think you´re above everybody else. And why? Because you know calculus and you´re barely passing engineering. If they can give you an iron ring, I will never feel safe again crossing a bridge. Go suck an egg!

[22-08-2006,22:40]
Anonymous



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