Why Fear the Globe "BS"?

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Subject: Why Fear the Globe "BS"?
If the G&B survey is total BS, why then do UofT students on this forum fear it so much? Just look at the damage control efforts here. Do you think there may be some truth in what the survey is suggesting?
[02-08-2006,18:24]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Why Fear the Globe "BS"?)
bwahahahaha!!! lol.. yaaaaaaaaaaaa.. uoft students are afraid of a survey!

i think they´re just showing the less intelligent people why it is unreliable since some of you are incapable of figuring out why on your own. all you care about is uoft scoring poorly..

[02-08-2006,18:46]
Anonymous
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Traditionally, university students and administrators don?t always agree, but on the second annual University Report Card, a survey of student satisfaction published in today?s Globe and Mail, there?s consensus that the survey?s methodology renders the findings unreliable.


"It?s frustrating," says Ashley Morton, president of the undergraduate Students? Administrative Council. "I?m not an expert but I have concerns about the methodology, especially when I see the same schools in the same city having widely different rankings in the category of opportunity for fun off campus. McGill is ranked #1 and Concordia is ranked #16 and they?re six blocks apart in Montreal. One of those numbers is incorrect so how many other numbers are unreliable?"


"Instead of a random sample, where all Canadian university students had an equal chance of being included in the survey, the Report Card uses a self-selected population, with the findings then applied to all students at the university," says David Farrar, vice-provost, students. "You can?t get a reliable picture of student satisfaction from this survey and that?s unfortunate because the more we know about our students, the more responsive we can be in our planning."

"The Report Card doesn?t reflect what students think," says Ranjini Ghosh, president of the Arts and Science Students Union (ASSU), which annually produces a student evaluation of arts and science courses and professors known as the Anti-Calendar. "In the Anti-Calendar survey, every arts and science student gets the chance to respond, while the Report Card was selective," she says. "Neither I nor the president of SAC heard anything about this survey until a month ago."

The Report Card survey sample consisted of some 26,000 students who logged on to studentawards.com, a website designed expressly for those seeking financial aid. The students were invited to answer more than 100 questions about student life on their respective campuses with the responses packaged into a ranking of those universities where more than 230 students responded. Only 38 of more than 93 universities and university colleges represented by the Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada were ranked in this year?s Report Card.

[02-08-2006,18:48]
Anonymous
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It´s the new UofT smear campaign. anything that doesn´t look good for them gets bashed to bits.

anything that makes them look good is the "gold standard".

unbelievable.

[02-08-2006,18:58]
Anonymous
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lol. you guys get destroyed in every debate! can´t you find some intelligent rebuttal to the arguments made? these articles weren´t written by uoft students, they were written by academics and journalists. if you don´t understand why the globe and mail survey is complete bs after learning about it´s methodology than i suggest you finish high school and come back when you are better educated.

no one is arguing maclean´s is the "gold standard". maclean´s, just like every ranking system out there, is questionable. there is NO "gold standard". the best indicator is raw statistics that you can analyze in your own way. this is why maclean´s is good, because they publish a bunch of raw statistics and you can come to your own conclusions.

http://www.macleans.ca/universities/tool.jsp?

[02-08-2006,19:07]
Anonymous
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Similar concerns have also been raised by academics about the methodology used in the Maclean´s survey. It´s no surprise the Globe and Mail survey gets the same treatment.
[02-08-2006,19:23]
Anonymous
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mecleans does not publish raw statistics, it just ranks schools 1,2,3,4... take somthing like classes taught my tenured faculty for example, the schools are ranked 1,2,3,4 and so on, but the difference between the 1st place winner and the last place is minuscule.
[02-08-2006,23:00]
Anonymous
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^ Yes, they do.

Here:

http://www.macleans.ca/universities/tool.jsp?

[02-08-2006,23:56]
Anonymous
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No, they clearly do not supply the raw data. If they did, you should be able to answer simple questions like: 1) how many Queen´s students entered with h.s. average grades between 85% and 90%, or 2) how many corporate recruiters voted Waterloo No. #1 most innovative school in the reputation survey. The answers to these questions cannot be determined due to lack of raw data. Understand?
[03-08-2006,02:37]
Anonymous
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macleans does supply some data. it´s rather opaque how they arrive at some of their numbers.
[03-08-2006,03:21]
Anonymous
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WTF!? You people are way too paranoid!

You people think macleans is going to publish the information of every student at every university in canada? NO! they put together a collection of statistics for people to make sense out of. nothing has been manipulated. it´s as simple as calculating average entering grade, or number of student awards, or how many books a library has.. don´t expect a listing of the names of every book a school has.. get real man.

[03-08-2006,03:43]
Anonymous
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They don´t release raw data, not even to serious academics who would love to get their hands on it. It´s a common complaint among academics.
[03-08-2006,03:56]
Anonymous



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