Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.

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Subject: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.
LOL! You don?t know when to quit, do you?

First of all, what makes the THES more reputable than the ranking from the Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong University? Both are highly cited, and both have been criticised.

Please, an intelligent, well-thought-out answer please.

Second of all, I provided you with a link. Are you blind? Here, I?ll give it to you again.

http://www.news.utoronto.ca/bin6/060705-2434.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Pawson

The above is a recent award winner for you. If you want to see more, a quick search will provide you with many results.

Thirdly, I have been destroying you. I urge everyone to check out our discussion in the previous thread.

You doubted UofT published more research than any other University in North America except for Harvard, and asked for a source. So I provided this one:

http://www.provost.utoronto.ca/English/A5-Research-Publications-and-Citations.html

You doubted the performance of UofT in terms of research impact, so I provided you with this quote and link:

"In total citations, the University of Toronto topped 15 fields: chemistry; materials science; engineering; space science; mathematics; ecology/environment; clinical medicine; immunology; biology and biochemistry; molecular biology/genetics; neurosciences; pharmacology; psychology/psychiatry; education; and economics and business. The University of British Columbia ranked first in four fields: physics; geosciences; plant and animal science; and microbiology.

When examining impact (or average citations per paper), the University of Toronto ranked first in the five fields: engineering, microbiology, biology & biochemistry, molecular biology/genetics and education. The University of Western Ontario topped the fields of immunology, pharmacology, and economics & business."

http://scientific.thomson.com/press/2005/8290754/

Do you see McGill anywhere?

You doubted UofT faculty won their awards AT UofT, so I provided you with this quote and source:

Over a 25 year period, the University of Toronto leads in the receipt of awards from prestigious international bodies, securing a significant Canadian presence in these ranks. The University?s share of awards granted by national agencies ranges from 19.1 to 38.5 percent and is even more predominant when measuring distinctions conferred by international agencies, which ranges from 23.8 to 68.2 percent. To put things into perspective, according to Statistics Canada the University of Toronto?s share of faculty is estimated at just under seven percent (excluding clinical faculty and those based in hospital research institutes), and yet they garnered 19.1 to 68.2 percent of the awards.

http://www.provost.utoronto.ca/English/2-Faculty-Honours.html

Some advice: Before making claims, know what you are talking about.

[19-07-2006,03:03]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
You should be in grade 5, not in university, not even UofT.

For your first point: THES is highly respected in the UK and as I said before the British government bases many funding decisions based in their reports. Also, the Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong University has also been very inconsistent with their rankings from year, which demonstrates that their methodology is problematic and unreliable.

For your second point: You did not mention this before. Anthony Pawson is a good example of what I was talking about. He came to UofT in 1985, yet he had already 14 years of research elsewhere. His awards do not necessarily reflect what he has done in UofT. Clearly, he was recruited by UofT when he was at his prime. This is typical of both UofT and the Toronto Maple Leafs, always hiring the best. As for McGill, this is where the best are bread and then get recruited elsewhere. In all ranking systems, you will see that McGill ranks higher than UofT when it comes to success of alumni.

For your third point: You think so highly of yourself, you live up well to what people think of UofT.

For your fourth point: I never doubted that UofT published more papers. As for impact factor, you provide me only with which subject matters UofT is best in science. What about all subject matters? What about the overall? There are more than 15 subjects in science.

Lastly, you say that you are destroying me and that I should know what I am talking before I make claims. The fact remains that you´re not very objective yourself.

[19-07-2006,03:34]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
^ actually, UofT is only first in 5 fields of science when it comes to impact factor, sad.
[19-07-2006,03:43]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
You´re completely brain washed UofT kid. If UofT is so good, how come it does not have McGill´s name? And like the McGill kid said, why does McGill rank higher than UofT in all ranking systems when it comes to success of alumini. Is this not what is the most important? The success of their graduates!
[19-07-2006,03:53]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
LOL. Dude, your too dumb. I can´t keep explaining this shit. Finish high school and come back.
[19-07-2006,04:09]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
hahah what alumni ranking for success? you make shit up, and you´ve been owned stupid mcgill kid.
[19-07-2006,04:24]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
"actually, UofT is only first in 5 fields of science when it comes to impact factor, sad."

lol! that´s better than any other university! impact is not related to size dumbass, it´s related to quality of research! it´s how many times an article has been cited.

mcgill didn´t even win one category! science or business or education. NOTHING!

[19-07-2006,04:26]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
McGill student´s response: you are a real idiot.
[19-07-2006,04:39]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
First, you clearly have no understanding of the concept that being the best in some subjects does not mandate being the best overall. Second, I am not making up the fact that McGill scores higher than UofT in the success of its alumni in all ranking systems. Look it up! Even your precious Academic Ranking of World Universities (from Shanghai Jiao Tong University), which is the only ranking system that currently ranks UofT higher than McGill, provides a higher score for McGill alumni than UofT alumini (28.8 vs 28.1). You are an idiot!
[19-07-2006,05:21]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
McGill wins.
[19-07-2006,05:38]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
^ lol. dude, i should showed you how uoft kills mcgill in research output and impact and you come back with a difference of .7 on an alumni score from a ranking in which uoft places 24th and mcgill 67th??? lol. weak.
[19-07-2006,05:47]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
You have not demonstrated that to me at all. Having the highest impact factor in few subjects does not mandate being the best overall. You´re an idiot.
[19-07-2006,05:52]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
What do you call it then when UofT is the best in the majority of subjects? I would call that being the best overall.

Why are you still talking? McGill isn´t even listed. What kind of "top" school can´t even be the leader in one category?

I told you, McGill is going down-hill. It´s not the same school it was 20 years ago.

[19-07-2006,06:16]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
UofT kids like to cite Thomson
I?m from McGill so I?ll cite Research Infosource:
Ranked first in Publication Intensity
Ranked first in Faculty Research Intensity
Ranked second in Total Sponsored Research Income
Ranked first overall, named "Research University of the Year"

McGill is going downhill? Guess who crept up to UofT?s ass this year and tied it for #1 in Maclean?s, just wait til next year?s ranking comes out, UofT fanboys won?t like it too much haha. enough of UofT?s 15 minutes of fame, it?s all downhill from here (it was never on top anyway).

btw, i?m not the other dude you?re having a discussion with and i don?t really give a flying shit about UofT this and UofT that. You can talk all you want about UofT being #1 or whatever but the funny thing is, nobody in the world gives a shit! Internationals are coming to McGill, not UofT! So sure, talk about your jiatong, thomson or what not. But what good is it to brag about UofT?s great standing in these rankings/studies when people still don?t recognize the name? hahaha so go ahead, keep boasting and thumping your chest, it won?t matter since McGill?s still the most reputable/famous/prestigious university in Canada at the end of the day!

[19-07-2006,18:02]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
Good for McGill, it did well. UofT placed second, which is fine. However, if you look at Thomson, McGill failed to even be mentioned.

I thought Maclean´s is BS? Now you want to invoke it? lol. Man, you need to learn how to debate. By the way, there won´t be a ranking next year. Too many Universities have left along with UofT. For information, read this:

http://www.magazine.utoronto.ca/06spring/prez.asp

15 minutes of fame? Try 12 years, bud. lol.


Internations go to McGill because (1) it´s a great school, and (2) it´s tuition is considerably cheaper than any other Canadian University. You need to consider this. McGill has been offering cheap tuition to internations for a long time, so it´s reputation has spread. It is not because McGill is so superior to everyone else, dummy.

Don´t recognize the names of these rankings? Dude, do you have any idea of who the Thomson Corporation is? lol.

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Corporation

The STJU is cited by as many, if not more publications and institutions than THES, so don´t act like it´s this unknown ranking.

[20-07-2006,02:29]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Response to the stupid Mcgill kid.)
yes i mentioned Macleans, but that´s because if you haven´t noticed and if you read my post carefully you´d know i´m someone else, genius. i´m not that dude you´ve been arguing with for the past how many threads.

LOL i LOVE seeing UofT fanboys take something straight out of their ass to explain McGill´s significantly greater international reputation. do you really think americans pay significantly less to come to McGill rather than UofT? And maybe I haven´t made myself clear. I wasn´t trying to say Thomson was a no name, nor jiatong. I was saying that you can talk all the talk you want about UofT being first in Thomson, Jiatong, even Macleans but none of it means squat ´cause internationals still don´t give a shit about your school! No ranking has ever given UofT any edge in reputation, it´s been ranked first in Macleans for twelve years straight yet internationals still shun it for McGill. How pathetic lol And yes, your 15 minutes of fame are up, 12 years means nothing when McGill dominated Canadian academia for the 100 years before it.

So, like i said, talk all you want. Talk about Thomson, your school´s library holdings, how UofT does whatever amount of research. But the fact is (although you attribute it to low tuition or wtv, but that´s BS), McGill is still the name internationals think of as the premier university in Canada.

[20-07-2006,05:14]
Anonymous



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