McGill Best According to Objective Rankings, cont

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Subject: McGill Best According to Objective Rankings, cont
Let us be realistic, the so called World University ranking, which is the only ranking that I am aware of that scores of UofT higher than McGill, is not a reputable organization. This is the Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong University.
For the UofT punk that I had the last discussion with, no you were not destroying me. I claimed that many awards obtained by professors at UofT were given for their research that they had conducted before coming to UofT. I asked you twice to provide me with only ONE example in which this was not the case. I thought this would be easy for you to do, but clearly it appears difficult. Either UofT sucks or you have the intelligence of a cockroach.

[19-07-2006,02:43]
Anonymous
(in reply to: McGill Best According to Objective Rankings, cont)
OK. A few points:

1. McGill is clearly the best uni. in Canada. I am saying this as an American, not as a McGillian.

2. It is right that McGill ranks 1st acc. to all the objective rankings, and that it is the one most prestigious Canadian school.

3. However, the argument of the OP is not reasonable. It doesnt matter whether a faculty member at UofT got the award before or after going to UofT. What matters is whether he or she got it or not. This shows, if an award has been gotten, that UofT can hire good faculty, which, in turn, shows that it is a good school.

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[19-07-2006,02:55]
Anonymous
(in reply to: McGill Best According to Objective Rankings, cont)
I agree with you fully. It is a stength of UofT to have faculty memebers like that. Nonetheless, UofT uses this fact to say that they conduct the best research in Canada, when in fact they are like the Toronto Maple Leafs who concentrate on just hiring the top players of the NHL. This is not working for the Maple Leafs neither for UofT. I am just pointing out, that credit should be placed elsewhere.
[19-07-2006,02:57]
Anonymous
(in reply to: McGill Best According to Objective Rankings, cont)
LOL! You don´t know when to quit, do you?

First of all, what makes the THES more reputable than the ranking from the Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong University? Both are highly cited, and both have been criticised.

Please, an intelligent, well-thought-out answer please.

Second of all, I provided you with a link. Are you blind? Here, I´ll give it to you again.

http://www.news.utoronto.ca/bin6/060705-2434.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Pawson

The above is a recent award winner for you. If you want to see more, a quick search will provide you with many results.

Thirdly, I have been destroying you. I urge everyone to check out our discussion in the previous thread.

You doubted UofT published more research than any other University in North America except for Harvard, and asked for a source. So I provided this one:

http://www.provost.utoronto.ca/English/A5-Research-Publications-and-Citations.html

You doubted the performance of UofT in terms of research impact, so I provided you with this quote and link:

"In total citations, the University of Toronto topped 15 fields: chemistry; materials science; engineering; space science; mathematics; ecology/environment; clinical medicine; immunology; biology and biochemistry; molecular biology/genetics; neurosciences; pharmacology; psychology/psychiatry; education; and economics and business. The University of British Columbia ranked first in four fields: physics; geosciences; plant and animal science; and microbiology.

When examining impact (or average citations per paper), the University of Toronto ranked first in the five fields: engineering, microbiology, biology & biochemistry, molecular biology/genetics and education. The University of Western Ontario topped the fields of immunology, pharmacology, and economics & business."

http://scientific.thomson.com/press/2005/8290754/

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Over a 25 year period, the University of Toronto leads in the receipt of awards from prestigious international bodies, securing a significant Canadian presence in these ranks. The University?s share of awards granted by national agencies ranges from 19.1 to 38.5 percent and is even more predominant when measuring distinctions conferred by international agencies, which ranges from 23.8 to 68.2 percent. To put things into perspective, according to Statistics Canada the University of Toronto?s share of faculty is estimated at just under seven percent (excluding clinical faculty and those based in hospital research institutes), and yet they garnered 19.1 to 68.2 percent of the awards.

http://www.provost.utoronto.ca/English/2-Faculty-Honours.html

Some advice: Before making claims, know what you are talking about.







[19-07-2006,03:02]
Anonymous
(in reply to: McGill Best According to Objective Rankings, cont)
You should be in grade 5, not in university, not even UofT.

For your first point: THES is highly respected in the UK and as I said before the British government bases many funding decisions on their reports. Also, the Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong University has shown large inconsistencies with their rankings from year-to-year, which demonstrates that their methodology is problematic and unreliable.

For your second point: Your Anthony Pawson is a good example of what I was talking about. He came to UofT in 1985, yet he had already 14 years of research elsewhere. His awards do not necessarily reflect what he has done in UofT. Clearly, he was recruited by UofT when he was at his prime. This is typical of both UofT and the Toronto Maple Leafs, always hiring the best. As for McGill, this is where the best are made, like Cambridge. Your Anthony Pawson was in Cambridge before coming to UofT. In all ranking systems, you will see that McGill ranks higher than UofT when it comes to success of alumni. Even your precious Academic Ranking of World Universities (from Shanghai Jiao Tong University), which is the only ranking system that currently ranks UofT higher than McGill, provides a higher score for McGill alumni than UofT alumini (28.8 vs 28.1).

For your third point: You think so highly of yourself, you live up well to what people think of UofT.

For your fourth point: I never doubted that UofT published more papers. My point is that most of these papers could have been published in crap journals. So, I asked you about quality. For impact factor, you provide me only 5 fields of science in which of UofT has the highest impact factor. What about all subject matters? What about the overall? There are more than 5 subjects in science that could a university can claim as having the highest impact. Clearly, you do not understand the concept that being the best in some subjects does not mandate being the best overall.

Lastly, you say that you are destroying me and that I should know what I am talking before I make claims. The fact remains that you?re not objective.

[19-07-2006,05:49]
Anonymous
(in reply to: McGill Best According to Objective Rankings, cont)
LOL! You don?t know when to quit, do you?

First of all, what makes the THES more reputable than the ranking from the Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong University? Both are highly cited, and both have been criticised.

Please, an intelligent, well-thought-out answer please.

Second of all, I provided you with a link. Are you blind? Here, I?ll give it to you again.

http://www.news.utoronto.ca/bin6/060705-2434.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Pawson

The above is a recent award winner for you. If you want to see more, a quick search will provide you with many results.

Thirdly, I have been destroying you. I urge everyone to check out our discussion in the previous thread.

You doubted UofT published more research than any other University in North America except for Harvard, and asked for a source. So I provided this one:

http://www.provost.utoronto.ca/English/A5-Research-Publications-and-Citations.html

You doubted the performance of UofT in terms of research impact, so I provided you with this quote and link:

"In total citations, the University of Toronto topped 15 fields: chemistry; materials science; engineering; space science; mathematics; ecology/environment; clinical medicine; immunology; biology and biochemistry; molecular biology/genetics; neurosciences; pharmacology; psychology/psychiatry; education; and economics and business. The University of British Columbia ranked first in four fields: physics; geosciences; plant and animal science; and microbiology.

When examining impact (or average citations per paper), the University of Toronto ranked first in the five fields: engineering, microbiology, biology & biochemistry, molecular biology/genetics and education. The University of Western Ontario topped the fields of immunology, pharmacology, and economics & business."

http://scientific.thomson.com/press/2005/8290754/

Do you see McGill anywhere?

You doubted UofT faculty won their awards AT UofT, so I provided you with this quote and source:

Over a 25 year period, the University of Toronto leads in the receipt of awards from prestigious international bodies, securing a significant Canadian presence in these ranks. The University?s share of awards granted by national agencies ranges from 19.1 to 38.5 percent and is even more predominant when measuring distinctions conferred by international agencies, which ranges from 23.8 to 68.2 percent. To put things into perspective, according to Statistics Canada the University of Toronto?s share of faculty is estimated at just under seven percent (excluding clinical faculty and those based in hospital research institutes), and yet they garnered 19.1 to 68.2 percent of the awards.

http://www.provost.utoronto.ca/English/2-Faculty-Honours.html

Some advice: Before making claims, know what you are talking about.

[19-07-2006,05:50]
Anonymous
(in reply to: McGill Best According to Objective Rankings, cont)
This of UofT guy is a real idiot.
[19-07-2006,06:01]
Anonymous



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