YORK > concordia

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Subject: YORK > concordia
To all Concordians:

Do you agree York > concord ?

York has law/business/fine arts/space engineering which renowned in the WHOLE WORLD. Besides, York is a.k.a. the liberal arts school which has the highest concentration of professional social scientists and humanitists in Canada. The School of Women´s studies and the Faculty of Envirnomental Studies are top schools in Canada. Morever, the teacher´s school is considered to be the best in Ontario. The Bachelor of Design is the only kind and also considered one of the best in North America.

Okay, Concordians, tell me what your school has?
Give some facts to support your view. Don´t just yell it´s better than York.

P.S. I know you will say Concord ave entering grade > York but don´t forget York is a big school.

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forget concordia, York Business, Law > UofT Business, law
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Your right, Concordia has the higher average entering grade (82.4%) compared to York´s (81.0%)

Furthermore, Concordia attracts more students outside their home province and it also attracts a lot more international students. I believe having a diverse student body is very important in this world of globalization. It sure beats out just hanging out with your old high school buddies at university.

Out of Province (1st yr)(%): Concordia 21.3 York 1.1
Int´l (1st yr)(%): Concordia 11.9 York 4.4
Int´l (Graduate)(%): Concordia 22.5 York 12.5

Concordia "overall" does trail its rival McGill in its home province as the top "English-speaking" university, but York is much lower down against its rivals in Ontario.

Be honest with me Yorkie, most Ontarians would choose these schools ahead of yours (if they were to stay in their home provice, and could get in and/or afford studying away from home):

U ot T, McMaster, Western, Queens, Guelph, Waterloo, Laurier, Ottawa, and even Ryerson.

That puts York as the 10th choice school for most Ontarians.

Yorkies always boast about being the best social science / humanities university in Canada, but Concordia´s social science/humanities research fundiing is twice as much as York´s. Concordia = $12 Million York = $6 Million


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"York is a.k.a. the liberal arts school which has the highest concentration of professional social scientists and humanitists in Canada"

Bullshit. York students keep repeating this and think it´s true. How the hell can liberal arts at York, aka ´show up and get 3.5 GPA´, compare to McGill or UofT?

Other points are correct, though "environmental science" is more of a college program... other Canadian schools have international reps in programs like geography, forrestry, and botany.

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york is the 1st choice of most students on OUAC
any thoughts on this? is it because of the low entry std?

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"Be honest with me Yorkie, most Ontarians would choose these schools ahead of yours (if they were to stay in their home provice, and could get in and/or afford studying away from home):

U ot T, McMaster, Western, Queens, Guelph, Waterloo, Laurier, Ottawa, and even Ryerson. "


More incoming students picked York first
? and their grades are higher
More high-school students ? with higher grades ? are picking York as their first-choice university, according to early provincial enrolment figures for 2005.

Earlier this year York reported another increase in the University´s share of first-choice applications from Ontario secondary school students over 2004, and enrolment data now indicates that the proportion of students at York with averages above 75 per cent rose significantly over last year and those above 80 per cent climbed as well.

Among full-time new students from secondary schools, 85.4 per cent now have an average of 75 per cent or better (81.5 per cent last year) and 54.2 per cent have over 80 per cent (53.1 per cent last year).

All of this adds up to good news for York at a time when some Ontario universities are experiencing a drop-off in applications following the double cohort years. It also provided York recruitment staff with more information to share with the approximately 65,000 prospective students and their parents who attended this past weekend´s Ontario Universities Fair at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre.

York is the school of choice for 11.2 per cent of all secondary school applicants, up significantly from 1999 when York´s share of first choice applications was 8.3 per cent. Since 1999 York has moved to SECOND PLACE, behind the University of Toronto, from fourth in the number of first-choice applications from secondary school students. Similar growth has been seen in applications by non-secondary applicants. As a result of the higher confirmation rates this year, York essentially closed admissions to first year in July, the earliest since 1992.

"We were able to raise the cut-off averages and achieve and exceed our enrolment targets," said Rob Tiffin, York vice-president students.

This year´s figures also show York students are staying here, especially in third and fourth year. Although there appears to be a decline in second-year enrolment this year, Tiffin suggests this may have resulted from more second-year students completing their year through summer courses. But overall, the word on the street is that York is the place to be as more students than ever have confirmed their offers of acceptance to study in one of York´s nine undergraduate faculties.

"We´ve had positive feedback from professors about the first-year students in their classes this year," Tiffin said. "We´re hearing anecdotal evidence that the students are well prepared for university and engaged. We think it also reflects, to some extent, an improved experience in the classroom."

In noting the growing word-of-mouth awareness of York among high-school students, Tiffin pointed to the communications strategy developed by staff in the Recruitment & Marketing Unit as a major reason for it. "There´s a general sense that there´s a greater awareness of York within the secondary school community," Tiffin said. "The numbers show there´s an appreciation of the quality of our programs and the quality of student they´re attracting."

To help build the buzz about York, Tiffin´s staff has worked with York´s undergraduate faculties to increase the amount of personal contact with students who are considering York. "The whole thrust of our recruitment strategy is to get students to come to York´s campuses," Tiffin explained. "Once they see the Glendon and Keele campuses and meet people from the faculties and colleges, they have a greater appreciation of what it´s like to be a member of the York community."

Tiffin also pointed to the work of York´s Marketing & Communications Division, which helped create the award-winning printed material and view books (left) students received as they were deciding which university to attend. Designed after close consultation with the faculties, the materials play a critical role in York´s recruiting effort, which is complemented by detailed training for the Student Recruitment Officers who speak directly with potential students in the schools, said Tiffin.

Individual faculty members also play an important role in conversion activities such as the Circle of Scholars breakfast held during March Break for top scholarship students. Faculties such as Environmental Studies, which attracted 198 registrants, were very active in the conversion process through their targeted and timely mailings and personal contact with applicants, Tiffin said. "As environmental studies is not a specific course taught in secondary schools, the FES contacts were key to differentiating their programs from those of other universities."

York has also pursued a proactive recruitment strategy using information from a student financial profile. Intended to identify students in need of financial assistance, the profile enabled Student Financial Services to evaluate each applicant so that specific information on financial assistance was included with the offer of admission. "Students were then able to fully evaluate York´s offer of admission and begin to make plans to attend York with a full understanding of the level of support available to them," explained Tiffin.

York´s program of making offers of admission as early as possible also benefited students and the University, Tiffin said. Studies clearly indicated that students with strong academic performance in Grade 11 also performed well in Grade 12. Consequently, York began making offers to secondary school students as early as February," said Tiffin, "and the nature of the conversation with an applicant becomes more meaningful and focused once the student has an offer of admission from the university."


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"Among full-time new students from secondary schools, 85.4 per cent now have an average of 75 per cent or better (81.5 per cent last year) and 54.2 per cent have over 80 per cent (53.1 per cent last year)."

Concordia is still better than York.

Concordia´s Proportion with > 75% is 89.2% from Maclean´s 2005 survey.

York´s Stats:
2005 preliminary fall enrolment *

Full-time (undergraduates) 38,900
Full-time (graduates) 3,100
Part-time (undergraduates) 7,000
Part-time (graduates) 1,700


Concordia´s Stats:
2005 preliminary fall enrolment *

Full-time (undergraduates) 16,810
Full-time (graduates) 3,730
Part-time (undergraduates) 10,080
Part-time (graduates) 920


York has nearly 20,000 more students than Concordia, but only has about 200 more graduate students.

My conclusion is Concordia is a far better school (in terms of student quality) than York It´s got higher grades, a much higher percentage of out of province & international students, and a much higher percentage of students doing graduate research.

I admit York has nicer facilities and a lot more space on campus compared to Concordia, but if your just looking at the quality of students, Concordia has the big edge.

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I won´t give a shit to compare these schools.
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"and a much higher percentage of students doing graduate research. "

York is the second largest graduate school in Ontario. By your logic, so it is the second best in Ontario?

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Schulich, John Molson >>>>> Rotman

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Final Verdict:

Concordia > York

Concordia should be known as the top comprehensive university in Canada.

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Concordia > McGill > U of T

Claude Lajeunesse for PM!

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Read the paragraphs below from aucc.ca and you will know which university is better.

York University

Our university profile

Question every angle. Study every angle. Research every angle. Welcome to the interdisciplinary university. At York, we break down traditional boundaries and bring together thinkers from every discipline to tackle real world issues. The result is a unique approach to research and innovation. The same philosophy travels beyond interdisciplinary programs and allows students to combine majors in completely different fields.

York University is Canada??s third largest university, world-renowned for producing graduates who achieve groundbreaking success. Our students, some of the best and brightest from Canada and abroad, forge their own unique paths to success. York??s faculty, celebrated for teaching excellence and recognized through national and international awards, expand the horizons of our students, providing them with a broad perspective of the world that opens up new ways of thinking and seeing things. And York is one of the most sought after research and innovation centres, because we deliver real-world solutions by bringing an innovative, collaborative, interdisciplinary approach to research challenges.

York offers full and part-time graduate and undergraduate degree programs to almost 50,000 students through 10 faculties. Osgoode Hall Law School, Canada??s largest, and one of the oldest, is among the most respected. Schulich School of Business is ranked among the top business schools in the world. York??s Faculty of Arts is the largest in Canada. In the Atkinson Faculty of Liberal and Professional Studies all professional studies have a liberal arts component, and liberal arts students can complement their degree with professional studies courses and certificates. Glendon College offers bilingual education. York??s Faculty of Education offers its students more teaching experience than any other education program in Ontario. The Faculty of Environmental Studies is known to offer the best individualized, interdisciplinary masters program in the world. The only faculty of fine arts in Ontario, York Fine Arts provides rigorous studio training balanced with in-depth academic study. York??s Faculty of Science and Engineering is one of Canada??s leading teaching and research institutions, taking part in the pioneering 2007 NASA Phoenix Mission to Mars.

Concordia University

Montreal??s Concordia University was established in 1974 with the merger of Loyola College and Sir George Williams University, whose roots date back to 1873. Concordia has since become one of Canada??s largest urban universities. It has about 31,500 full and part-time students and 6,500 continuing education students on two campuses: one downtown, the other in a residential setting in the city??s west end. A shuttle-bus service provides free transportation between the two.

More than 300 undergraduate and graduate programs are offered through four faculties (Arts and Science, Engineering and Computer Science, Fine Arts and the John Molson School of Business) and the School of Graduate Studies. Concordia also has 29 research centres and institutes. As an English-language university in a predominantly French-speaking milieu, Concordia allows term papers and examinations to be submitted in either English or French. About 57 percent of students list English as their first language; 14 percent French and 28 percent represent other language groups.

Concordia promotes an interdisciplinary approach to learning, and is a trailblazer in accommodating student needs by offering flexible class schedules, part-time programs and distinctive services for mature students, women, students over 55 and students with disabilities. In addition, many students are eligible to participate in Concordia??s cooperative education program, allowing them to combine their studies with valuable employment experience. Growing international activities are coordinated through the Centre for International Academic Cooperation. Concordia professors have travelled to more than 100 countries, and Concordia continues to host visiting students and professors from every corner of the globe.

The university also sponsors a wide array of cultural, athletic and community events. Its art galleries, film screenings, concert hall and lectures are an integral part of the city??s cultural livelihood.


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Just to let you know Yorkie,

17% or over 5,000 Concordians are business students and another 17% (5,000 +) Concordians are engineering / computer science students.

Concordia is much more than just a liberal arts school, which is what York is.

I agree York has an excellent business and law school, but those two faculties amount to probably less than 10% of York´s student body.

In fact Concordia´s (John Molson) business school and faculty of engineering/computer science is larger than McGill´s.


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