the harvard/mit of the north

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Subject: the harvard/mit of the north
which schools do you think is the harvard of the north and mit of the north... in my opinion those are the top two schools on my list from the states. harvard being a well rounded school in other words its strong point is practically everything. and mit leaning towards technology/engineering. which schools resemble that in canada do you guys thinkk?
[21-05-2006,18:31]
anonymous
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This dicussion has been done ad nauseam.

Harvard = UofT (good at everything/top research university)
MIT = Waterloo (especially good at technological stuff)

Others will say McGill. But that is because McGill started calling itself "the harvard of the north" because it is/was part of their advertising campaign (which is lame). Others may say Queens (but they are wannabes). In the end, only UofT and McGill can fight over this title.

[21-05-2006,19:08]
Anonymous
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ta da!

http://www.mcgilltribune.com/media/storage/paper234/news/2003/04/01/McgillWeekly/Mcgill.Renamed.Harvard.Of.The.North-404471.shtml?norewrite200605211717&sourcedomain=www.mcgilltribune.com

"This is not the first time that McGill has engaged in cross-branding. This year, the University began to offer McGill diplomas via Universitas 21. Also, during the mid-1990s budget crunch, former McGill principal Bernard Shapiro sought the aid of his twin brother Harold, who was then president of Princeton University in New Jersey. However, the new names for the schools, "McGill of New Jersey" and "Princeton of the Tundra", caused application rates to plummet.

In related news, Queen´s University is planning to sue Maclean´s for libel and McGill for antitrust violations, but in the meantime, the school in Kingston, Ontario, has partnered with Texas A&M.

"We hear they have sheep," said Queen´s Principal William C. Leggett, who licked his lips in anticipation."

lol..

[21-05-2006,19:20]
Anonymous
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pure marketing.
[21-05-2006,19:21]
Anonymous
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McGill is the Harvard of Canada.

Waterloo is the MIT of Canada.

UofT is the Syanford of Canada.

Queens is the Yale of Canada.

And this is objective. Just as Harvard is the most well known US university, McGill is the most well known Canadian uni., and they are good at virtually everything.

[21-05-2006,20:23]
Anonymous
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YOure all losers of Canada.


lol

[21-05-2006,20:27]
Anonymous
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Yeah, I agree. McGill is the Harvard of Canada. But still it is not as good as Harvard of course.
[21-05-2006,20:28]
Anonymous
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that article from the McGill Tribune is a satire, retard

The title "Harvard of the North" has traditionally gone to McGill University as it is the most prestigious/reputable/well known Canadian university outside of Canada. Macleans won´t give you that title, UofT fanboys, sorry.


[21-05-2006,20:32]
Anonymous
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I am sorry but I doubt Mcgill is as good as UofT for graduate studies. Mcglil is known for its undergraduate experence, but for grad school UofT dominates BY A MILE.


[21-05-2006,22:33]
Anonymous
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McGill is too underfunded to be a "Harvard". Plus, they aren´t a research "powerhouse".

Academically, UofT is much more similar to Harvard. We have the best faculty and resources in the country.

The only reason McGill is well known in the states is because of its old reputation back when its medical school was one of the best in the world, and because of its heavy marketing down south coupled with really cheap tuition for Americans.

If you focus on just academics, UofT > McGill. After all, only Harvard publishes more research than UofT in north america*. Quite a feat since there are many schools with endowments bigger than Toronto in the states.

Look at how UofT dominates research in Canada:

http://scientific.thomson.com/press/2005/8290754/

As you can see, I am providing a credible source unlike some of those sketchy "rankings" you will see McGill kids throw around. If you don´t know who the Thomson Corporation is then look it up.

*http://www.provost.utoronto.ca/English/A5-Research-Publications-and-Citations.html

In the end, Harvard is Harvard because it is a research powerhouse. You need to remember what a University is for.

[21-05-2006,22:33]
Anonymous
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Actually, the argument about McGill´s grauate programs is absolutely wrong. McGill is much better at the grad level. There are many students coming to PhD at McGill from places like MIT, Harvard, Oxford and Cambridge.

In my area, at the grad level, while the selectivity at McGill is around 7%, it is around 50% at UofT. And this is real. Just get a PrincetonReview, and compare McGill to other Canadian schools. You will see the selectivity is, in each case, more than twice.

[21-05-2006,22:41]
Anonymous
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McGill is the Harvard of Canada. UofT cannot even get close!

However, McGill is of course not as big a name as Harvard. But if you want to name "the Harvard of the North," then, it MUST be McGill.

[21-05-2006,22:44]
Anonymous
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As far as I am concerned, you are talking out of your ass. Provide some sort of citation to back up your claim or else your argument is worthless.

I am sure there are certain graduate school programs that McGill is stronger in, but in general UofT is the leader. After all, we have all the money and researchers.

I don´t want to be arrogant about it but you people need to come to terms with reality.

[21-05-2006,22:46]
Anonymous
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Again, it´s the same argument over again
you talk about sources, yet where´s the proof that McGill is underfunded? Where´s the proof that the "Harvard of the North" title is a marketing scheme?

McGill is far and wide the best university in Canada, UofT likes to argue about how it produces the most research next to Harvard, yet it has almost twice the amount of students and faculty than McGill. And you want to talk about research?

http://www.researchinfosource.com/RUY/2005/ResearchUniversityofYearTableFinal.pdf

Research University of the Year: McGill (highest research intensity)

But wait, your thomson ranking is more credible right? It´s the gold standard correct? haha oh please. And now the other rankings are sketchy? THES, Forbes, Research Infosource, Financial Times are sketchy?? Oh God, stop with your freaking excuses, all you UofT fanboys are the same.

McGill is #1, UofT #2. DEAL WITH IT.


[21-05-2006,22:47]
Anonymous



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