Outland sponsorship mechanics

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Subject: Outland sponsorship mechanics
  How does this work?
Is all correspondence with CIC done via the foreign address, or can it all be done with a Canadian address?

If Canadian, then you are simply giving a foreign address as place of permanent residence of your spouse, and that´s all?

I spoke with a CIC agent today and they said an interview could be asked for at any time. That would put a wrinkle into your spouse´s stay in Canada, if going the outland sponsorship route right?

TIA








[22-11-2010,17:58]
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Mark
(in reply to: Outland sponsorship mechanics)
If you are submitting an outland application - yes, you can indicate a Canadian address as a mailing/correspondence address. (However a foreign address should be given as the premanent residence.)

Yes - then can request an interview at any time (advance notice is given). And yes, that interview will be held outside of Canada (i.e. in the country that is processing the application).

[22-11-2010,18:24]
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Anonymous
(in reply to: Outland sponsorship mechanics)

You should understand how the applications are processed. Way too many assumpsions and no, not everything that shines is gold.

This is the Operations Manual for applications processed outside of Canada. (your best route)


http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op02-eng.pdf


This is the OP for applications within Canada (avoid it if you can, it is slow and you have no right to appeal if refused and it would complicate things for your wife in the future)

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/ip/ip08-eng.pdf

Take the time to read them and then ask. Don´t make your mind of what people are telling you without reading and understanding the criteria that is used in both cases.

That old story of turist "falling in love" well... CIC and CBSA can´t care less about it, I hope you realize that.

CIC/CBSA go by the manual not your personal situation. For CIC/CBSA is not about your story is about the details around it and you will be one more file number on somebody´s desk, do your homework and read.




[22-11-2010,19:36]
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DocD
(in reply to: Outland sponsorship mechanics)
Thanks doc for your input, you seem to have a lot of experience with this.

>...This is the Operations Manual for applications processed outside of Canada. (your best route)

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op02-eng.pdf

This is the OP for applications within Canada

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/ip/ip08-eng.pdf<

Thanks I will read them carefully.

>That old story of turist "falling in love" well... CIC and CBSA can´t care less about it, I hope you realize that.
<

I would appreciate a little expansion on this (as it will apply to our situation) and it could be taken two different ways :

CIC/CBSA is not interested in how you come to fall in love and get married, they are only interested in the fact that you are now married?

OR

CIC/CBSA is not interested in your ´story´ that you fell in love and got married while on tour in Canada. They won´t believe it for a minute?

It is important for me to know what you meant with your above statement.

The problem we are facing, is that if my fiancee gets her TRV the same way as her first time (applying to visit Canada as a tourist) and we then get married while she is still here, it will be difficult to give proof that we have a legitimate marriage without showing that we have known each other for a long period of time.

Thus the agent might question why my fiancee applied to come to Canada as a tourist, rather than as a visitor.
Would they do something like that and what may be the repercussions?

TIA


[22-11-2010,20:08]
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Mark
(in reply to: Outland sponsorship mechanics)

Ok let´s clarify a couple of terms here.

Visitor/turist is the same. They are supposed to enter and LEAVE Canada not to STAY!

There are mainly THREE classifications:

1.Turist/visitors and foreing workers
These two status mean that they MUST leave Canada at the end of their visit and under some situtaions they may change their status within Canada.

2.Immigrants which are different classifications.

3.Refugees (Which they may obtain a work permit at the POE until CIC/IRB makes a decision on their personal situation.

Now if she clears customs and her reason for visiting Canada is to get married with her Canadian fiancee... things can go south from there. She could be refused of entry since she doesn´t appear to be a genuine visitor/turist and with the intention of applying from within Canada for PR, CBSA (Canada Border Service Agency) may refuse her entry and cancel her visa.


About the application....
CIC is interested that you are married but that alone will not make a favorable decision, actually doesn´t prove anything.

You need to prove that your relationship is genuine and be honest at all times, if you met her before she came to Canada, SAY SO. Show pictures, receipts of phone calls overseas, Christmas cards, casual pics etc.

And READ THE OPERATION MANUALS.


[22-11-2010,21:08]
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DocD
(in reply to: Outland sponsorship mechanics)
>Visitor/turist is the same. They are supposed to enter and LEAVE Canada not to STAY!<

No a visitor and a tourist is NOT the same thing.
A tourist is not ´supposed to´ come and visit a fiancee in Canada. A visitor yes, a tourist no.


>Now if she clears customs and her reason for visiting Canada is to get married with her Canadian fiancee... things can go south from there. She could be refused of entry since she doesn´t appear to be a genuine visitor/turist and with the intention of applying from within Canada for PR, CBSA (Canada Border Service Agency) may refuse her entry and cancel her visa. <

You are making conflicting statements so it is difficult to understand you.
If she clears customs, she is INSIDE Canada. They let her in.
How can she be refused entry, as you then go on to say?
They gave her entry.

>and with the intention of applying from within Canada for PR, CBSA (Canada Border Service Agency) may refuse her entry and cancel her visa. <

Again, how can they "refuse her entry"? She is already inside Canada!
Yes they may cancel her visa.


[22-11-2010,21:36]
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Mark
(in reply to: Outland sponsorship mechanics)
You are wrong.

Show me WHERE in the law says:

"A tourist is not ´supposed to´ come and visit a fiancee in Canada. A visitor yes, a tourist no"

That doesn´t make any sense.
There is no such a thing. The fiancee visa program was cancelled at the end of 2002.
In the US there is still the K1 and K2 visa, not in Canada though.

Read the regulations about visiting or extending a permit as a visitor within Canada.

About her entry, I understood that she was coming to Canada. If she is already in Canada disregard what I said.
I went with your first post.

"Yes they may cancel her visa".

If her visitor´s visa was a single entry visa, it is already cancelled. You will see in her passport a circle in her visa right around the "one" and a line across the entire visa.
That means that the visa has been used and cannot be used again, in other words is cancelled. What you are trying to do is the apply for a visitor´s extention, which is going to generate a visitor´s record with a 8 digit client number.

Anyway, do some reading and all this "conflicting information" will become clear.

[22-11-2010,22:46]
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DocD
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