Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?

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Subject: Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?
  Hi,
PR Cards have a final date stamped on them (4 years from Intial entry Date). How can people enter Canada ´after´ that date, if they havn´t applied for citizenship?

(a) Do they lose their PR status & have to apply for a new PR?

(b) Or, can the Card be renewed with a new date? I read in this forum that PR is for life, so I am assuming (b) to be correct.

(c) Assuming (b) is correct, can the renewal be done at an overseas Canadian embassy? Or does the incumbent have to be present in Canada at the time.

Many thanks in advance

Kind regards

[17-04-2010,22:44]
[**.104.9.47]
PR to Citizen
(in reply to: Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?)
Common Sense has to prevail.

(a) No one can lose their PR status when their card expires because CIC would have no evidence that the cardholder had not complied with residency requirements.

(b) Card can be renewed but the applicant must pick the renewed card up in person.

(c) The whole issue of a PR card is that a person maintains residency requirements of 730 days in any five year period.


The PR card only eliminates responsibility for the airlines to remove persons who are from a country that would require them to have a (CVV) Canadian Visitor Visa to fly to Canada.

No CVV card the question you face unpon your arrival --your purpose for coming to Canada today?

Get a single entry US Visa and drive to the border. If questioned by secondary CBSA Officer can not send you back to the US side of the border because USINS will not let you in! So your in and than fight for your status.

Canada has three Oceans any one can sail into Canada.

Roy
cvimmigration.com

[18-04-2010,09:29]
[**.229.28.7]
Roy
(in reply to: Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?)
Thanks Roy.

The Canadian PR Card system is so much better than the Australian one.

PR CARDS - CANADIAN SYSTEM
---------------------------
Once you are a PR, you´re a PR for life.

The PR Card is just a time-bound document, it doesnt affect your PR status. Once the card nears expiry, you can renew it. With a renewed card, you can go aborad & return to Canada as a PR with confidence.

If your Card runs out, while you have not lost your PR status, your right to re-enter Canada may be affected. However, if however you can enter another way (e.g. UK pasport holders can visit for 6 months anyway), you can enter Canada & then apply for renewal.

Voila

PR CARDS - AUSTRALIAN SYSTEM
----------------------------
Your PR Status, like your Card, is bound by time.

If your Card runs out, you cannot renew it. You have lost your status in the sense :
- you can live on in Australia
- if you leave & want to return, you can´t unless you´re a Citizen by now or hold a Returning Residents Visa (RRV). RRV´s are issued if you´ve been in Oz for at least 2 years, and very rarely (H&C grounds) otherwise.

All in all, riskier than Canada.

On this occassion, boo the Antepodeans, hail Kanata.

[19-04-2010,09:08]
[***.193.203.170]
PR to Citizen
(in reply to: Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?)
Life in Canada was so much easier until the arrivals of PR cards.

Permanent Residents used to come and go every 6 months.

Some traveled without their Confirmation of Landing or Landing paper.

[19-04-2010,10:44]
[**.233.201.58]
Anonymous
PR Card and PR Obligations (in reply to: Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?)
Duuuuuuuh...this is all confusing for me now ...

What happens if a PR Holder can´t honor his PR obligations??

Let´s say the Joe or Jane goes an a 3 and a half year NATO or United Nations DPKO deployment in a war zone and can´t spend his 730 days in Canada.

Does it mean he automatically loses his PR status or is there a way he/she might explain common superior and prevailing international security interests kept him/her away from Canada??

Did anybody on this forum ever have to deal with a situation like that and if so, how did the CIC crowd reacted??

[19-04-2010,18:10]
[**.54.52.107]
John
(in reply to: Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?)
PR to Citizen is incorrect.

You are not an automatic PR for life. There are specific obligations (residency requirements) that must be met by the card holder to retain their status. You have mentioned the 730 days - and that is one of the requirments. Not breaking the law is another.

I would suspect the NATO or UN deployment would be extenuating circumstances and your card would be renewed.

What they are trying to avoid is Cardholder Y landing and then living in another country until it does not suit them any more and coming back to Canada simply for medical coverage or seniors pensions. That is not the intent of immigration.

The scenario you describe does not fall into that category.

[19-04-2010,18:17]
[**.154.245.217]
Sharon
PR Card and PR Obligations (in reply to: Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?)
Thx for that quick input Sharon,

I find it extremely difficult to justify my presence in Canada doing "menial civilian" jobs while the country is engaged in various important war fronts (Afghanistan, Kosovo, DRC, Haïti and such)and I happen to have the rare expertise which is needed.

In some instances I can wave a Canadian banner as in the case of a secondment but sometimes not as when XYZ international organizations (to which Canada is a contributor) want me to deploy in a hellhole and fix things.

I thought of fighting for my PR Status to keep a "Canadian Chain of Reporting" which I consider to be of paramount importance when you serve overseas in a "Big cloak and dagger Game" of smoke and mirrors and that your only goal is to "Stand on Guard for Thee".

Do you think it would make sense to approach the nearest CIC Office and candidly explain the situation or this would be a pure waist of time and energy?

[19-04-2010,18:38]
[**.54.52.107]
John
(in reply to: Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?)
I am not sure I totally understand what you are saying and it is not necessary to explain it.

If you come back to Canada at the end of your 3.5 year stint, and it is clear where you were and what you were doing - I am confident your entry would be allowed. For peace of mind I might be inclinded to contact Boarder Services. If you are deployed on behalf of Canada, there is not concern whatsoever.

[19-04-2010,19:21]
[**.154.245.217]
Sharon
(in reply to: Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?)
Are you working for a Canadian company or the Canadian Government?
If you do, I am pretty sure you have documentation such as T4s, work contract, payments to your Canadian accounts to demostrate it.

That would make the difference.

[20-04-2010,13:05]
[***.115.153.178]
DocD
May I enter Canada (in reply to: Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?)
Hi everyone,

My concern is as below :

I became a PR of Canada in 2005and my PR Card is expiring on 28 September, 2010 (as printed on the card). I didn´t comply the residency obligation of 730 days - in my first ladning myself and family stayed nearly 30 days (spouse and child accompanied for first landing) and all of left canada. Back in 2005 July I returned to canada and lived only 25 days and left again.

Now, I wish to go back to canada on 18 September 2010 and would like to stay there for minimum 4 years. Can I enter inside Canada and live like as a PR? Is there any legal problems at the port of entry? If yes, what kind of clarifications can I give to the PEO or concerned officials?

Can you please help?

Regards,

moali

[29-07-2010,08:06]
[***.229.242.57]
moali
May I enter Canada (in reply to: Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?) (in reply to: Can one enter Canada after PR Card expires?)
Hi Moali

I´m pretty sure you can enter Canada and stay as a PR without a question asked. However, DO NOT try to renew your PR card unless you complete your requirement of 730 days from the 18th of September. You can attempt to renew your PR card on 18th September 2012, not before that.
The only requirement being that you if you decide to leave Canada in these 2 yrs, you won´t be allowed back in.
You can again fly out of Canada after you renew your PR card.
Hope this answers your question.

[17-08-2010,13:13]
[**.182.160.0]
Gautam