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The Charter of Rights and Freedoms (DocD) states everyone in Canada.
With you supposedly being a Government employee (CBSA) who does not comprehend the Charter it scares the living hell out of me that your kind gets private information by breaking privacy Laws.
Quote --- "It is the same principle as when you are clearing customs and you have to answer some questions or/and an officer checks your personal items. Is that against the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?
NO!
It is a regulation. Let me repeat this again... A REGULATION." --- UnQuote
The Charter refers to everyone (IN) Canada. HOW COULD YOU NOT KNOW THAT A PERSON ENTERING CANADA IS NOT (IN) CANADA!
I agree everyone should tell the truth including the government. If when you applied for a renewal of your Dog´s License do you agree that all government agencies should be able to find out how fertile you are? Or how ferrtile your not! Come on George Bush clone!
IRPA A16 states when a person makes an application they must not lie. That is in the Act and not the regulations Mr./Mrs. CBSA.
Where exactly does it says in the IRPA or IRPR that anyone who applys for a work permit (IN CANADA) to CIC that CBSA is allowed to violate privacy Laws?
KEEP LOOKING!
Why do not the overseas workpermit applications NOT have the same question?
The question is stated this way, LET US SNOOP UNDER THE SHEETS IN YOUR BEDROOM OR MOST PRIVATE PLACE BECAUSE IT IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY!
Privacy Laws are Privacy Laws for everyone (IN) Canada and so is the Charter and no government agency should be breaking the Laws or consider themselves above the Law. Period
Roy
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[16-03-2010,07:34]
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(in reply to: CBSA Obtaining Banking Information 2)
Sharon been busy and missed your reply to mine about locking up anyone that looked Japanese or Ukrainian. To clarify that I was asking if Canada was at war and we locked up people who looked different during a time of war.
My comment had nothing to do with any particular Race!
Please tell me that your not saying that there should be a rights for PR´s and Citizens and DIFFERENT Rights for temporary residents?
Breaking Privacy Laws is wrong and a two class system could mean that a Valid Visitor walking the Streets of vancouver could be shot BY A CBSA OFFICER because he is not equal to a Permanent Resident or Canadian CITIZEN because he is only here legally FOR A TEMPORARY PERIOD OF TIME?
So if you want to build a deck on your house what private information should the government be able to have access to?
I have had a government agency release private personal information to a foreign government and I had to sign away my rights to another organization which to me is wrong just because I wanted something!
This one is personal.
Roy
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[16-03-2010,07:52]
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Roy |
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What do you think is the reason behind it? Do you really think that the agency has the time to check people´s bank accounts for no reason?
NO! There is a reason behind it.
Privacy laws can looked at from so many different angles.
Question for you Roy:
Is it against the privacy law to disclose if a person is HIV positive in an inland application?
NO! Think about it, a person can still be still admissable if so.
Is it against the privacy law to disclose where have you been living in the last 10 yrs if you are applying under the PNP in Canada?
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms has nothing to do with it.
But hey! If you think it does, take it to the court of law and let us know how it goes for you.
[16-03-2010,11:20]
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DocD |
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DocD
Stick to the main issue!Don´t go around. I gave you the homework yesterday. Do the home work and then come back and post any comment!
Cheers
[16-03-2010,12:29]
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Anonymous |
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"The Charter refers to everyone (IN) Canada. HOW COULD YOU NOT KNOW THAT A PERSON ENTERING CANADA IS NOT (IN) CANADA!"UnQuote
Sorry but your statement is wrong.
Entering Canada is a two step process for PR and Canadian citizens or three step process for some foreign nationals.
With a few exceptions.
1- In the primary inspection booth you meet a CBSA officer who will verify your right to enter Canada or to examine a foreign national to enter Canada. This includes the verification of the goods that are entering Canada if any IN THE DECLARATION FORM, there is no visual inspection at this point.
2- If a foreign national doesn´t satisfy the officer in primary about the resons of his/her visit or there is an issue in his/her admissibility, he/she will be sent to a secondary inspection where the officer will make the final decision.
3rd Step- The "individual" whether is a Canadian PR / Citizen or TR has been admitted to enter Canada and before you leave the clearence area you meet with a customs officer (also a CBSA officer) who has the right to examine your bags if necessary.
How the Charter applies here?
The person has been already admitted into Canada, she/he is already on Canadian soil.
Once you pass primary or secondary YOU ARE IN CANADA. That is why when someone is bringing something illegal they can be charged under the Canadian legislation.
I am not going to give you the details of what the word "privacy" means, but your interpretation is way off on this one.
You called "This one is personal" I called "This one is a regulation"
[16-03-2010,15:22]
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DocD |
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So the Tom Hanks movie was not quite right when he was living in the airport terminal.
[16-03-2010,15:42]
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Sharon |
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The Terminal?
LOL not quite. If that would have happened he should have been allowed entry or put in a detention centre. Not living in an airport. The federal inspection area in any airport is big enough to handle passangers but not to live for several weeks.
One correction to my previous post, is that you are in Canada not one you pass the primary or secondary inspection, actually you are in Canada at moment that aircraft (if by air) enters the Canadian air space and by law any person crossing a border has to report to CBSA for inspection as soon as the land in Canada at the first POE.
That being said, the law is already in effect even before the traveler is inspected by an officer.
[16-03-2010,16:56]
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DocD |
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Dearest DocD
So foreign students who pay three or four times what a Canadian students pays in tution does not deserve to be treated equally. Can the foreign students have their lockers and residents searched because their rights do not count?
Do executives of multinationals in Canada on valid work permits can have their cars searched for no reason and detained just because their rights are not considered equal?
Do all CBSA Officers deserve to be treated equally?
When someone arrives at an International airport whether they went through Primary Inspection or not does not mean they have been admitted. I flew through the Dutch airport in Amsterdam but I never ever entered Amsterdam.
IRPA
16. (1) A person who makes an application must answer truthfully all questions put to them for the purpose of the examination and must produce a visa and all relevant evidence and documents that the officer reasonably requires.
(RESONABLY REQUIRES) DocD there are limits placed on Cowboy´s at CBSA.
So where is the regulation that allows you to trampel temporary residents rights.
A IRPR Regulation over rules the Charter of Rights and Freedoms???
So when one is picking up a suitcase like that Polish guy in Vancouver there is nothing wrong with shooting him with a taser for no reason?
Show me your regulation.
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[16-03-2010,17:03]
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Roy |
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So with that logic anyone flying over Canada is in Canada!
Silly logic learn your stuff.
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[16-03-2010,17:15]
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Roy |
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Roy,
You are blowing this out of proportion.
Let´s clarify a few things here, anyone flying over Canada has to report it, because is entering the Canadian air space, if the wheels touch the ground they have to be inspected by customs and immigration there is no transit without going through a federal inspection agency in Canada like there is in Amsterdam. You HAVE to meet the requirements for entry even if you are in transist and yes with a transit visa.
"So foreign students who pay three or four times what a Canadian students pays in tution does not deserve to be treated equally".UnQuote
I agree with you there, I have no idea where the concept of higher tution fees come from. That is just silly.
"Do all CBSA Officers deserve to be treated equally?"
As far as I know they are, are they not?
IRPA
16." (1) A person who makes an application must answer truthfully all questions put to them for the purpose of the examination and must produce a visa and all relevant evidence and documents that the officer reasonably requires.
(RESONABLY REQUIRES) DocD there are limits placed on Cowboy´s at CBSA." UnQuote
Who do you think determines what is "resonably"?
If I think that is resonably to assume that you are hidding something an officer has the authority to strip your suite case apart and if nothing is found, what are you going to do about it?
So, as much as you may hate my previous statement it is the way it is. Unfortunately I realize that some officers abuse their power and I don´t approve that type of behivor by any means but my point is that the word "resonably" has way too many interpretations.
"So where is the regulation that allows you to trampel temporary residents rights". UnQuote
There isn´t. How are their right being trampled?
"A IRPR Regulation over rules the Charter of Rights and Freedoms???" UnQuote
No, It isn´t.
"So when one is picking up a suitcase like that Polish guy in Vancouver there is nothing wrong with shooting him with a taser for no reason?" UnQuote
Sorry Roy but that is a horrible thing to say. I think the way that was handle by the RCMP officers was a shame and couldn´t never approve something like that, there is nothing more important in this world that the respect to life and dignity.
I still cannot understand what your point is. It is just a bank account. Don´t they have to disclose if they have HIV if they want to become a PR?
Don´t they have to disclose their place of residence in the last 10 yrs?
Can CIC contact their previous employer for verification porpuses?
Now, CIC and CBSA can access their bank accounts?
So what is the big deal?
What regulation would you like to see? It´s right in front of your nose!
Read the application form!
"Silly logic learn your stuff" UnQuote
Look who´s talking. You keep talking about the Charter, how about if we talk about my favorite colour? It is just as relevant.
If it really bothers you that much, take CIC and CBSA to court for a revision of their manuals and call it inconstitutional. You might be recognized as a national heroe!
You can vent and keep shoting the messanger but it is what it is princess.
If I got a nickle for everytime someone calls me names, I wouldn´t be here doing what I am doing. Probably I will be a millionaire.
[16-03-2010,19:05]
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DocD |
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Great Book I think you should open the cover.
“Canada Border Services Agency – A commitment to Fairness”
Night!
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[16-03-2010,21:42]
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