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Sorry, but I disagree with some of you in the prior thread. I see this coalition and change in government as democracy working as it should. Here in the U.S., we were stuck with G.W. Bush for 4 years, despite the low opinion of his competency. Polls showed an all-time low approval rating. Because of the rigidity of the U.S. political system, we couldn´t get rid of him and had to wait for the next 4-year election cycle. What a waste of precious time, resources, finances, and international reputation.
Canada´s ability to quickly change leadership is not banana republic, nor is it a coup, as it´s fully constitutional. When an economic crises or any other crises looms, the situation doesn´t wait for a 4, 6, or 8 year cycle before it gets worse. In this day and age of quickly changing world events, this flexibility is a huge advantage.
[03-12-2008,14:33]
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Richard |
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This is hilarious LOL LOL LOL because it is the Conservatives that have finally pushed and shoved the left sooooo hard that they joined together to fight back.
When it comes down to money and you take away someones money watch out. Cutting a couple of million from the political parties they saw this as an attempt to destroy democracy and it would really hurt the smaller parties. DAH BLINK HARPER.
How many countries in the world only run on a coalition government? Israel has probably never known anything but. The Americans seem to support working together is that not what McCain and Obama keep saying with only two parties.
This crap that is on the airwaves about getting in bed with the separatist/socialist etc. is so much BS that people are laughing at Harper on the streets of the GTA. The bloc is far more just pro Quebec then anything else.
When you act as the school yard bully sooner or later the other kids will gang up and kick your butt. You Harper caused this by being a BULLY so start pretending to be a good leader and lead a minority government by doing the will of the majority while your a minority and GOD FORBID one day you might become the leader of the Majority.
Chills went up my back on that super scary thought.
When you get called on your bluff FOLD Stephan.
Roy
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[03-12-2008,16:48]
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Roy |
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I don´t know, Richard. Our government could have gotten rid of him by impeaching him--name your war crime. There´s no lack of evidence or reasons. Our government was scared, and impeachment is rare even when warranted.
I´m no fan of Harper, don´t get me wrong, and he certainly hasn´t shown he can play well with others. There are definitely comparisons to be drawn between the two, though I don´t think Harper is as dangerous. I don´t see him having the best interests of the country first in mind, however.
That said, it´s a pretty weird feeling to know that in this time of economic collapse, we could be facing a collapse of government as well. It´s not a comforting thought for sure.
After all, it´s not as though the government is being overthrown because he´s some evil conspirator, but primarily because the opposition doesn´t like his financial plan. Is the country strong enough to handle such a move? Is it reason enough to overthrow a government?
Let´s not forget that Canada is a very loose federation; I wonder what the eventual outcome might be after tossing aside a government over such a small matter.
Circus or democracy? I´m really not sure.
[03-12-2008,17:14]
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wannabecanadian |
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the west coast crowd are seeing it a little differently. They see this as Ontario not liking the idea that they don´t control the country.
I am sure it will all work out - one way or the other. Based on what I was seeing on the CBC last night, there is huge doubt about how this coalition would hold together in real life so the whole thing is a big risk for everyone. Who would imagine that our unelected governor general (agent of the Queen) would be deciding the country´s political future.
interesting thought - Canada may be economically tightening but they are in no way feeling the same kind of pressure that our neighbours are feeling. At what point do we panic? Should the government bail out poorly managed private companies? BC´s lumber industry has been totally ignored for the last several years - same problems but they exist in a province with no political clout.
I don´t have a problem with the government keeping our money in bank for the time being. It is not that bad out there and once it is gone - it is gone.
[03-12-2008,17:16]
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Sharon |
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radio talk show is all abuzz about the western provinces telling the rest of the country where to stick it and form our own country like Quebec. It is feeling rather hostile out there.
[03-12-2008,17:21]
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Sharon |
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Just a quick comment about our precious US Government.
Gorgie W, was elected TWICE!!!!!by the Yanks, US CITIZENS, AMERICANS, AMERICANOS.
Hear me out.....
Not elected once he was elected TWICE!!!!
Did I say the word TWICE, that means two, dos, II.
They could get rid out of him ages ago, but got elected in the name of democracy TWICE!!!TWO TIMES.
Sorry, it is off topic but I had a kick out of that one. It was very funny.
I agree with Sharon. Funny part is who is going to come up with a better plan? Dion, Layton?
We are going to an imminent recession, unstability in our political system will create more problems than benefits in the time being.
Cheers,
Bill
[03-12-2008,17:49]
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Bill |
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Elected twice Bill? The Supreme Court designated him the first time. Diebold and Ohio corruption probably the second time. Hanging chads, Katherine Harris, and a sudden stop to a state-wide recount the first time. Long lines of Ohioans who´s vote was not counted in the last one. What election...where?
Good point wannabe, but I think impeachment was only intended for high crimes and misdemeanors (as they say). Not to change governemnt over incompetence or disatisfaction with the occupant for political reasons.
I say let the western provinces join the Union if they´re so aghast by the various outcomes of the parliamentary system. Agree with Roy´s sentiments over this.
[03-12-2008,19:08]
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Richard |
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Richard--you know I agree with you over the scandals of the US "elections". It was quite clear to me that my vote never counted in Ohio, it was all too obvious.
The Parliamentary system is definitely foreign to me, so I can´t say I´m totally comfortable with it. Is Harper acting in the best interest of Canada, or will the coalition? I think it´s fair to say it´s hard to predict; these are uncharted waters for sure.
Sort of makes me want to run for the hills...oh wait, I already live there. Hmmm...
[03-12-2008,19:29]
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wannabecanadian |
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LOL, wannabe. We can always send the Air Force up there to pick up our expats caught in the middle of a foreign coup.
Yes, you´re right, we´ll have to see. CBC "The National" was on CSPAN the other night, and in the roundtable commentary section, Chantal (I forget her last name but she´s very good, Toronto Star) thought the chances of the coalition taking control 100%. In the meantime, shortly afterwards, Rex Murphy almost plastered himself to the ceiling about how bad an idea it is, yet admitted the Conservatives deserved it based on their behavior.
Quite an upheaval there and also fascinating. Sharon makes a good point I think in how much power the Governor General has at the moment.
[03-12-2008,23:16]
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Richard |
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highly likely that they will suspend parliament until the end of January. If at that time the Harper goverment loses a confidence vote - govenor general will have the choice of allowing the coalition to govern or call an election. not much constitutional precident for the current scenario in any parliamentary democracy.
it is starting to smell like theatre to make a point rather than a serious attempt to govern.
[04-12-2008,00:37]
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Sharon |
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Sharon you made me wake my son up because I was laughing out loud so LOUD.
East Coast Crowd LOL LOL
Anti Toronto.
First coverage of sports is the Maple Leafs and they aren´t a real Hockey Team.
Sharon you have to tell them this is Canadian Politics at its best. These idiots don´t hate each other. They just want Harper to stop being a BULLY and act as if he has a minority government and to stay in power he has to present some legislation they feel is important.
The west separate LOL LOL did any of those RED NECKS notice the price of oil? They haven´t even learned how to scrap the cow pies off their boots when they come to Ottawa.
CANADIANS NEVER VOTE WHO WE WANT WE VOTE AGAINST WHO WE DON´T WANT AND LET THE CHIPS FALL AS THEY MAY.
Harper did a pre election character assassination of Dion which stuck.
IT IS STARTING TO SMELL LIKE THEATER that is all it is THEATER so blink Harper because your BLUFF has been called and lets improve the economy of this great coutry. Great team of economists this coalition lined up though eh Sharon.
TY for the LAUGH.
Roy
cvimmigration.com
[04-12-2008,08:18]
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Roy |
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