new immigration rules - what's next

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Subject: new immigration rules - what's next
  Immigration reform: inspired by Aussies?
Report comparing two systems finds results Down Under

John Ivison, National Post
Published: Thursday, June 19, 2008

Leah Hennel, Canwest News Service Files
OTTAWA -The Harper government´s controversial immigration proposals passed into law yesterday but the hard work aimed at reducing the backlog of 925,000 applications, and streamlining Canada´s migration program, has just begun.

The next step is to drag the system into the 21st century by finding out exactly who has applied to come to Canada. Remarkably, the federal government has no idea what skills the people in line have to offer and only the faintest inkling what skills the country needs to satisfy current shortages.

To address these shortcomings, the government will now spend $100-million leafing through the dusty pile of applications on hand to code them according to occupation. In the meantime, Diane Finley, the Minister for Citizenship and Immigration, will visit the provinces and ask them about their job-vacancy situation.

The new legislation means bureaucrats do not need to process every new application that lands in their in-tray, which should mean that the backlog stops growing. Ms. Finley has talked of bringing in more applicants, faster, and the goal is to reduce the wait time to around a year from the current four years.

No one argues against the modernization of the immigration bureaucracy. But the main point of contention for many immigrant groups is fear the new policy will limit the number of family reunification cases, resulting in a significant shift in the type of newcomers to Canada.

There is no doubt these fears are justified -- change is coming. Officials say privately that no decisions have been taken on how the system is to be re-structured, but there was much chatter within the government recently about a study by Australian immigration expert Lesleyanne Hawthorne, which compared the Australian and Canadian systems.

It seems the conclusion has already been reached that Canada´s "human capital model" points system is out-dated and does not supply the type of immigrants the country needs. The current selection process awards points on the basis of skills,

age, education, language (although there is no need for competence to be tested), work experience and occupational demand.

However, even though the application process was tweaked by the Liberals in 2002, many Canadian officials interviewed for the Hawthorne study said the process admits applicants with limited English or French language skills, "general" rather than job specific skills and qualifications that are often not recognized. "Given that newly arrived migrants are more than twice as likely to possess degrees, it seems essential to redress this skills wastage," Ms. Hawthorne concluded.

The Australians used a similar system until 1996 when, in Ms. Hawthorne´s words, the new government of John Howard shifted policy "from altruism to pragmatism." The Australians tailored their points system to give greater weighting to factors of skill, age and English language ability. Successful applicants must now pass an English language test, proving he or she has "partial command of the language."

Additional points are awarded for those who are qualified to fill occupations in demand, for those whose degree-level qualifications relate to specific (rather than generic) professions, and for those with job offers.

The gains have been tangible. A decade ago, about 60% of applicants in both countries secured some form of work within six months of their arrival. In Canada that rate has stagnated. In Australia, the rate is now 83%, despite the two countries having near-identical economic cycles. Wage outcomes there have increased dramatically, while in Canada they have gone in the opposite direction (it now takes up to 30 years for a newcomer to reach parity with comparably qualified Canadians).

Small wonder the Conservatives are looking Down Under for inspiration. Officials remain tight-lipped on specific changes but a mandatory pre-migration English or French language test would seem to be in the offing, as well as a re-evaluation of the proportion of points awarded for pre-migration work experience and qualifications.

"It´s not rocket science to know that if you match the people you are bringing in with the needs of the market, you will find that the outcomes are much better," said one official.

As is so often the case in politics, the party traditionally associated with an issue is unable to institute reform. The Liberals tried to raise the number of points required for entry to 75 from 70 back in 2002 but were forced to retreat, under pressure from their immigrant constituency, eventually capitulating and reducing the number required to 67.

The Conservatives inherited a situation in which the wait time would have increased to a decade within five years. They have taken the initial steps toward reducing the backlog and should now continue at speed down the road the Australians have already proven leads to a sleeker and more competitive immigration system.

jivison@nationalpost.com

[20-06-2008,13:43]
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Sharon
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If Ausie system is more successful in integrating the immigrants (at least by employment..poverty rate) then what´s wrong following them? I know the comparison very well.


[21-06-2008,02:32]
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DC
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Only five staff studying the problem created the backlog in the first place.

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[21-06-2008,07:52]
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Roy
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Hello Roy, Sharon, DC...

I think I read somewhere that the new system will not affect existing files though... how true is that?... they say on this article: ´To address these shortcomings, the government will now spend $100-million leafing through the dusty pile of applications on hand to code them according to occupation.´

I am concerned because I am hoping my case is close to an end... I just submitted the last piece of documentation required to complete my application... (It´s a long story, I´ve told it before)... but we got our medicals request back in Nov 07 and they asked us to send few other things againg with the Medical Exams... we sent everything except for one document which we just got (finally)... We´ve been in contact with CIC, we wrote a letter asking for extra time to obtain the document and later via email... they told us they´ll wait for the last paper to arrive ...

So... what do you think could happen to our file... we were so close to getting an answer (or so I think)... now what?

Thanks for your comments...

[21-06-2008,13:50]
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Lily
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Lily,

Relax.

As far as I know by default when any new law/ammendent comes that only takes action for the newer files, all older files are processes under the law when they applied.

I don´t think that is changed by anyway, so relax.

[21-06-2008,13:59]
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DC
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the way I understand it, the new law which allows CIC to take applications out of chronological sequence will also apply to the old files. Roy??

However, CIC has not laid everyone off waiting for new instructions. I would assume with a fair amount of certainty that those applications that are well past the IA are being processed as usual under the existing system.

The only sidebar is that summer time is generally slow due to visitor and student visa applications that pour in this time of year which take priority processing.

[21-06-2008,15:08]
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Sharon
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Thank you guys... I am really trying to relax... and I was hoping for an answer like the one Sharon gave me... I was hoping that since my application had reached a point were it is almost finalized, it will continue to be processed without falling under the new regulations...

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of the weekend! :0)

[21-06-2008,15:17]
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Lily
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Lily, don´t worry. It messes with your weekend and changes very little. Deep breath. I am sure everything will be fine.
[21-06-2008,16:16]
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Sharon
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Hi Sharon,

You said:

“the way I understand it, the new law which allows CIC to take applications out of chronological sequence will also apply to the old files. Roy??”

I am a bit confused. I was under the impression that application prior to Feb 28 2008 will be processed in chronological order. Are you saying that has changed? I hope not, that would suck big time.

Ray

[21-06-2008,16:51]
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Ray Masa
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Thank you Sharon.

Yes, Ray... that is what I also understood after reading the article (it was implied)... that is why I got a bit concerned...

Too bad Roy is not here today... he posted another very interesting article recently here is part of it:

"Newly passed immigration reforms, which the federal government said were aimed at reducing a staggering backlog of applications by would-be immigrants, are creating a new logjam."

"The backlog, which stood at 925,000 before the legislation was brought in, could grow by an additional 90,000 because officials have stopped processing new applications."

"Prospective immigrants who submitted applications after Feb. 26, when the legislation was introduced, have been told by Citizenship and Immigration Canada that their applications are being put on hold until further notice."

"When the instructions from the minister are received, "we will apply them to our inventory of applications," the letter says."

"The move to stop processing new applications has baffled immigration lawyers and consultants, with some worried their clients´ applications will be discarded altogether and they will be asked to reapply. Immigration officials declined to comment yesterday. The immigration reforms, passed by the Senate this week, give Immigration Minister Diane Finley the power to reject applications even if applicants meet all the criteria, and to instruct officials to cherry-pick immigrants based on labour market needs."

I guess recent applicants are in a bit of a pickle!

Well I hope to be able to tell you what happens to my application real soon... then, we can all have a real testimony about the way old applications are being processed these days...

Take care!

[21-06-2008,17:23]
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Lily
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I guess that would depend how scarse your skills are in Canada. It could propel you to the front of the line!

The article I quoted suggests that CIC is spending $100K to go through all current applications and confirming NOC codes. Why would they do that if the intention is to simply continue as usual with a first in first out processing system.

Here is what I think might happen. Oldest files with desireable skills will get processed first. Those without those skills will be given the opportunity to continue waiting in line or withdraw.

There may be a certain percentage of applications that will be allowed through to take their chances in terms of skill matching but the majority of approvals will fall within those skill shortage categories.

There is up sides and down sides to this. If you have a skill that Canada needs - it will mean finding a job and establishing yourself should be much easier for you than if you take your chances. I would hope that is a good thing for EVERYONE. Why waste your time and your life on a long shot. I am also hopeful it will force CIC to tell those who are endlessly waiting that while they have points... they may not find success and that immigration to Canada may not be in their ultimate best interest. Again... that in the end is a good thing for everyone even if the initial news feels devesating.

CIC and Canada cannot wait 5 years to get the right applications to the top of the pile. That is too many wasted opportunities and lives. I cannot see any other option but to apply the skill shortage system to existing files in the system that are still in the early stages of processing. CIC is saying that the ultimate goal is applicants should have a positive or negative answer within 1 year of application. Now, I consider that optimistic but if it is possible - I´d say that is fabulous news.

So... does this suck big time? is the glass half empty or half full! I would suggest if the ultimate goal is finding success in Canada this is a good thing.

The biggest downside is the current void of detailed information.


[21-06-2008,17:29]
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Sharon