what is misleading about this?

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Subject: what is misleading about this?
  it´s all here - no need for endless debate, or the battle of reports. everyone should read it - if they don´t, well... they don´t.

did you know that: Currently roughly 90% of the US population fall below the federal poverty threshold.

Wow, now that number seems outrageous and is, if you pair it with the qualifying documents. No point in throwing stand alone statistics unless you are able to qualify the numbers. Any statistician will tell you that percentages can be deceiving.

instead... have a look and tell me if Canada is fair in its presentation of the facts - it is there for all prospective immigrants to read - in 2 languages no less.

not sure how this can be taken as a glossy marketing ploy.


http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/welcome/wel-10e.asp

At first you may find it difficult to get work that matches your skills. It may also be difficult to find a job that pays as much as you want until you get Canadian experience. Try not to be discouraged. When the right job does come along, you will have the benefit of that previous experience. When you apply for a job in Canada, the employer will want some information about you. Bring a list of your education and work experience (a r?sum?). Also bring letters of reference from your former employers, your professional degrees and trade certificates. You may be asked to provide English or French copies of these documents.

Remember that certain trades or professions are regulated, which means that you must be licensed, registered or certified to practise them. In other words, you must meet certain standards that are set by the organization responsible for your profession in the province where you plan to work. The standards vary from province to province. So even though you may be qualified in another country, your qualifications must meet Canadian standards for you to be licensed to practise here.

Immigrant-serving organizations
If you cannot speak the language used by an employer, ask a friend to interpret for you, or get a translator through an immigrant-serving organization. You might also want to ask about job-finding clubs, workshops, and getting help with preparing a r?sum? or writing a letter. These services are often provided by immigrant-serving organizations themselves or by the province. Refer to the pamphlet Finding Help in Your Community in the back pocket of this guide.

Service Canada Centres
Many jobs are posted either on billboards or on self-serve computers at your local Service Canada Centre (SCC). The Canadian government runs SCC offices throughout the country. The centres provide information and services for people looking for work. Some offer the free use of computers, printers, the Internet, telephones, fax services and resource libraries. They may offer workshops on how to prepare a r?sum? or to look for work, as well as computer training and other courses.

Service Canada also runs the Job Bank, an electronic listing of jobs available at employers across the country. Visit the site at jb-ge.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca.

Another Internet site that may be useful is ?Worksearch.? This easy-to-use site can help you with all aspects of your search for work. The Internet address for this site is www.jobsetc.ca. The SCC also has a toll-free youth InfoLine: 1-800-935-5555 . You can find the nearest SCC office listed in the blue pages of the telephone book, under Service Canada Centre, or visit their website at www.servicecanada.gc.ca.

Using the newspaper and other resources
Many jobs are listed in newspapers. Look in the classified advertisements section under ?Help Wanted? and ?Careers.? There may also be a separate career section in the weekend paper.

Libraries are also helpful. They have books on how to find a job or write a r?sum?, and they often keep directories of businesses across Canada or in your area. These publications can help you find information about potential employers. Their ?periodical? section will also have copies of various weekly magazines that provide new listings of jobs across Canada. You can also access the Internet at most public libraries. Ask for more information at the reference desk.

?Networking? is also a popular way of finding a job in Canada. This means contacting all the people you know, including your friends and relatives, and letting them know you are looking for work. This may help you to find a job that is not actually advertised anywhere. Job-finding clubs run by immigrant-serving organizations may also be useful. There are also private job placement agencies that may be able to help you find permanent, temporary or contract work. Remember that since employers pay a fee to use these agencies, your salary may be somewhat lower than it would be if you found the job by yourself. These agencies are listed in the yellow pages of the telephone book. Look under ?Employment Agencies.?


Top of Page Documents and foreign credentials
You may need Canadian qualifications to work at a licensed trade or profession. You may have to write an examination or work as a trainee to qualify. The requirements vary from province to province and from profession to profession. You might want to contact the national or provincial association that looks after accreditation in your profession or trade.

The Canadian government offers information about foreign credential recognition and assessment through the Foreign Credentials Referral Office (FCRO). To learn more, visit the FCRO website at www.credentials.gc.ca or call Service Canada at 1-888-854-1805 or TTY 1-800-926-9105 (in Canada only).

You can also contact the Canadian Information Centre for International Credentials, or other international credentials evaluation services. These are listed in the pamphlet Key Information Sources in the pocket at the back of this brochure.

Getting paid
Employers may choose to pay their workers every week, every two weeks or once a month. You can be paid in cash, by cheque or through a direct deposit to your bank account. Your pay stub (the piece of paper attached to your paycheque) shows how much you earned. It also lists any money taken off (deductions) for federal and provincial taxes, pension plans, employment insurance and any other items.

Working for yourself
The Business Start-Up Assistant provides essential business start-up information from the federal and provincial governments. Their website, organized by topic and province, provides reliable information on market research, business name and structure, preparing a business plan, financing, taxation, hiring employees, doing business on the Internet, and much more. For more information, visit their website at bsa.canadabusiness.ca.

Canada Business Service Centres provide a central resource for Canadian business information, especially government information. You can find them in every province and territory. They offer service on the Internet or you can speak directly to a business information officer. To find the Canada Business Service Centre nearest you, look in the blue pages of your telephone book under the federal government.

The Small Business Loans Act helps small businesses get loans from banks and other lenders. Contact Industry Canada in the federal government listings in the blue pages of your telephone book for more information.

The Business Development Bank of Canada also provides a book for newcomers interested in working for themselves called Starting a Business in Canada: A Guide for New Canadians. They also offer management training, counselling and planning services for entrepreneurs. Call their toll-free number for more information at 1-877-232-2269 or visit their website at www.bdc.ca.


Top of Page Business and travel
Although the Canadian government realizes that travel is often part of doing business, you may lose your permanent resident status if you stay outside the country for extended periods of time. Before you leave for business, you should check with the CIC Call Centre or visit the CIC website at www.cic.gc.ca.

If you are an entrepreneur who has been admitted to Canada on certain conditions, CIC will check to see how your business is doing. The Department will also provide special counselling services to help you. If after three years, you have not fulfilled the conditions under which you were admitted, you and your dependants may be asked to leave. Remember, this only applies to those who come in as entrepreneurs under certain terms and conditions.

Day care
When you do find work, you must remember that it is illegal in Canada to leave children under the age of 12 at home by themselves. You may need to pay someone to look after your children while you work. There are several options you can look into, such as licensed day-care centres, home-based day care, nursery schools, and ?drop-in? day-care centres. You can also hire someone to come into your home and look after your children. Look in the yellow pages under ?Day Nurseries? or ?Day Care.? Also check the classified advertisements section of the newspaper under ?Employment Wanted? to find a caregiver in your area. Government-subsidized day care exists for low-income families.

Labour laws and human rights
In Canada there are provincial and federal labour laws designed to protect employees and employers. These laws set minimum wage levels, health and safety standards, hours of work, maternity leave and annual paid vacations, and they provide protection for children. There are also human rights laws that protect employees from unfair treatment by employers based on sex, age, race, religion or disability.

You also have the right to join a labour union in Canada. Unions negotiate wages, hours of work and working conditions. Union fees will be deducted from your salary. If you feel you are being treated unfairly by your employer, you may seek advice or assistance from an officer of the Ministry of Labour in the province where you work. You can also contact the Canadian Human Rights Commission or a Service Canada Centre, where you can talk to a federal government labour affairs officer.

Volunteering
You might wish to help out in an agency or a community organization as a volunteer. This means that you volunteer your time but you do not get paid. However, volunteering can help you develop Canadian job experience, get a practical knowledge of the Canadian workplace, practise your English or French and make new friends, as well as help others. You can find volunteer centres in the yellow pages of your telephone book, or contact your local community agency.

An example of volunteering is the Host program. The Canadian government funds the Host program to help newcomers adapt, settle and integrate into Canadian life. Host volunteers are Canadians who offer their time to be with newcomers and introduce them to the Canadian way of life.

For more information on the Host program, contact one of the local immigrant-serving organizations listed in the pamphlet called Finding Help in Your Community, in the back pocket of this guide.

There are two official languages in Canada: English and French. Almost everyone in Canada speaks at least one of these languages and millions of Canadians speak both. There are Anglophone and Francophone communities in every province and territory. English is the language of the majority everywhere in Canada, except in the province of Quebec where French is the official language. French is spoken in many communities in other provinces, especially New Brunswick, Ontario and Manitoba. New Brunswick is an officially bilingual province.

One of the most important skills you will need to adapt to life here in Canada is to speak English or French. Once you learn one or both of these languages, you will find it easier to get a job, to understand Canada, and to communicate with your children, who will be busy learning English or French at school. You will also need to know English or French to become a Canadian citizen. Knowing both languages is strongly encouraged because bilingualism makes it easier to integrate into Canadian society and especially into the labour force.

There are many language courses available, and many of them are free. Sometimes these courses are called ?ESL? for English as a Second Language, or ?FSL,? for French as a Second Language.

Language Instruction for Newcomers to Canada (LINC)
The Government of Canada, in cooperation with provincial governments, school boards, community colleges and immigrant-serving organizations, offers free language training across the country to adult permanent residents. In most provinces, the name of the program is LINC. (In French, this program is known as CLIC, for Cours de langue pour les immigrants au Canada.) LINC can also assess your current language skills to find out which training program would be best for you.

LINC offers both full- and part-time classes to suit your needs. Most LINC centres can also refer you to other non-LINC classes in your area, and some offer free child care while you attend classes.

Remember, language classes are available for all the adults in your family, not just the person who may be looking for work.

For more information
To find out where you can take LINC classes in your area, see the listing of LINC assessment centres in the pamphlet called Language Training, in the back pocket of this guide. You could also contact your local immigrant-serving organization. They will likely refer you to a LINC assessment centre, which will then refer you to organizations offering LINC classes. You might also want to telephone your local school board directly to find out about classes in your community.

Most universities and community colleges also offer language classes, as well as some private language schools and community organizations. You can contact these groups directly for more information. Remember to ask about fees, since these courses may not be free.





[07-02-2008,20:27]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon
(in reply to: what is misleading about this?)
Go Canada!!!

[07-02-2008,22:28]
[**.70.95.206]
Bill
(in reply to: what is misleading about this?)
Sharon,

Well, if somone try to sell that US poverty rate is 90% then I would first ask the source, if he/she can show me that then I would accept. If can´t show me any reliable source just would tell him/her to keep shut. I never would ask him to shut up or America Hater without examining his statement.

All of the Stats I provide mostly come from StatCanada. Not coming out of the air that can be compared with this fictitous example.

I was just wondering why you also sometimes turn 180 degree and echo with myself.

I posted it already twice; now once more, your own words about the SW class immigration posted on Jan 7:


"It is not helping anyone and quite honestly (even if it sounds crass) if Canada is not gaining anything in this immigration scenario, there is no purpose to do it.

There is also no purpose is encouraging people to come with skills we have in over supply and it just so happens that they are at the top of the pile. It is not ethical. Don?t lead people to believe they will automatically have work because they achieved 67 points."

PLEASE NOTE YOUR OWN WORD "NOT ETHICAL".

So you better answer your own subject question rather than asking others. I´m not saying anything.

Though I know what´s coming..."We never say our system is perfect..we may have some faults...we always try to fix that..it takes time.."

I agree nothing is perfect; and you also know the truth, that´s why you also used the term "Not Ethical". Some errors and "unethical" aren´t the same.

Where you also admitted with my basic allegation is there anything else needed for debate? Or that writing by any other Sharon?



[07-02-2008,22:50]
[**.18.16.117]
Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: what is misleading about this?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States


there is a huge difference in qualifying a statement as you have done by so carefully quoting me (do you have nothing else to do??) and spewing numbers and website links to act like grenades in a discussion that is far more complex than any one statistic would ever be able to illustrate.

Your reaction to my US stat is a prime example. It is a stat - and in isolation is outrageous until you read the qualifyer.

Your reaction just validated my point.

[08-02-2008,00:25]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon
(in reply to: what is misleading about this?)
Sharon your link was good, and obviously I am assuming that you read the complete article after that. Seriously tell me do you really believe 90% of US is living under poverty ? This is what we are here for... to look beyond headliners which sound like what you have mentioned.

Anyway, on your original post I wanted to comment that if I were a skilled immigrant, in addition to reading the info you presented on the CIC website I would want to find people who have been in the same situation as I am in, what happened after they finished the move ? What else can I gather that is not listed on the website, such things will be really important for me. And all this website gives me is general information, don´t get me wrong the information is true, but its not a big help.
Something like saying that if you play the lotto you may win. That is also a true statement ain´t it ?

[08-02-2008,00:52]
[**.112.73.220]
Raj
(in reply to: what is misleading about this?)
Our primary focus wasn´t the US poverty rate.

If you or your quoted wikepedia site gives the comfort that 90% of Amercians live under poverty line then it´s fine with me. That wasn´t any issue here.

Our prime focus was Canadian SW class immigration that´s why I´m not getting into the details of poverty analysis otherwise if anybody is insterested then I can participate that in a separate thread. I also admitted even today that Statistics can be manipulated if not carefully analyzed, it is true for any science. Mathmetically I can proof that 2 and 2 always don´t make 4, that doesn´t mean that we would lose confidence from math.

You started a question in this thread relating to CIC imigration; please go there. Explain your earlier comment which now you comfortably forgot. Don´t divert the issue to somewhere else as usual and make it a personal clash.

If can´t explain then please do a favour and stop here. I´m not wasting any time. I´ve plenty to do, that doesn´t mean that you can change your stand 180 degree and I would forget that. If you change your stand overnight then what´s the point of debating? Your best explanation is as usual provoking another prersonal fight.

Chapter is closed, you replied that original question a month before. You even asked my suggestion about how to reform it. I gave some ideas, you also liked that and said; " agree with you 100%".

Anybody reading this please have a look at here (before getting deleted)

http://www.canada-city.ca/canada-immigration/posting.php?messageid=22404

Have a good night.

[08-02-2008,00:57]
[**.18.16.117]
Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: what is misleading about this?)
I used the US stat to prove a point - and I made my point.

no Canadian that I know of promotes Canada as the perfect country. I for one, know it is not perfect. that is why I often agree that the system is not entirely fair. At least I attempt to be balanced in my portrayal of the facts.

It is one thing for me to say Canada and its immigration policy is less than perfect as a balancing point to all my positive remarks about Canada, and you saying it as a long winded rant that never sees a positive thing about Canada EVER.

Your wild reaction to the 90% poverty is a prime example. of course the stat is outrageous but it is there in a very credible form and unless you read the entire piece - you get a very distorted impression of the facts.

You could not cope with that statement and reacted accordingly. Golly gee - do you think I am any different when you attack my home?

Have you ever heard how a black joke is not racist if told by a black man. Well, a Canadian complaining about Canada sits very differently than an outsider complaining about Canada. Don´t tell me you are a Canadian citizen. You are a citizen of convenience - nothing more and you will never convince me otherwise.






[08-02-2008,01:22]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon
(in reply to: what is misleading about this?)
I don´t mind in any personal comment that you make, I´m quite used to with it and not falling into your trap.

I fully agree with your last sentece: "you will never convince me otherwise." It is never possible specially if someone remaisn in a state of denial and change their opinion overnight. "Unethical" and some ´Not Perfect" aren´t the same. You used the term unethical. You can play word playing and bad mouthing as you like.

Though regardless you convince or not...facts remain the same. Just refer to the last post by me of the 12 replied post and read again.

The world is being convinced quickly, don´t you think? Do they have to look at what you say or I say? they are now more conscious and deciding judiciously,; over 4 years the applicants have been dropped to 177,000 from 300,000 (nearly 50%). It should give an idea about the extent of convincing. You don´t need to be as you don´t need to apply for SW immigration.

[08-02-2008,01:37]
[**.18.16.117]
Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: what is misleading about this?)
FUN WOW!

Well I made my point didn´t I DC?

Raj jumps on your band wagon without even reading my sight. DC like others I suggest here is to conduct research before applying or deciding to hire anyone to assist. DC you failed but when one fails like you CLAIM you did take some responsibility for your own mistakes. The information is out there quite clearly and anyone like me who has lived in another country must adapt.

The fact is Raj I do NOT seek out Federal Skilled Worker applicants due to the processing times. My main client base is applications that are the fastest. Clients that are already here in Canada and those that screwed up their application and need someone to assist them with their appeal.

FSW processing times have increased by 500% in just over a decade and it is wrong. So complain to DC & Raj or try to fix it.

In Canada I prefer to have everyone be part of the solution then part of the problem. Canadian´s will say it is not perfect and try to fix the same. Unlike in the States "Love It Or Leave It" solution rules!

So many here come here to ask a question and all you do DC and others like you is not to enlighten them is to provide smoke and mirrors.

Anyone who wishes to immigrate to another country does so for their own personal reasons or for the opportunity a different country may offer. The decision has to be a personal one and 99% of real posters here on this forum have already decided to take the move. They are asking questions of detail and do not need to be confused by you.

Some like DC do insufficent research. DC and others claim everyone can do their application by themselves and depending on the type of application in general terms that is somewhat true.

DC seems to be very computer literate yet he screwed up. The anger in this individual is so intense at time DC amazes me. Hate that DC has for the process can not be justified. Any relationship that ends where one individual hates the other for years is so illogical.

DC you departed Canada do you not think it is time to move on?

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[08-02-2008,02:04]
[**.52.217.21]
Roy
(in reply to: what is misleading about this?)
have you every considered that the application rate has dropped because India and China´s economies are roaring and therefore immmigration is less attractive (to anywhere) or perhaps that people are not eager to wait 5 years for an answer. the wait lists get longer and the same number of applicants are admitted every year.

how can that be possible?

or is that a fact that is not a fact that may be a fact tha perhaps is a fact but who knows what a fact really is and a fact should never be a fact unless it can be substantiated in fact.

[08-02-2008,02:04]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon
(in reply to: what is misleading about this?)
ok Roy, it is way past your bedtime. this post closes down the thread.

I suggest it is enough now - and that is a fact.

[08-02-2008,02:16]
[**.155.160.37]
Sharon
(in reply to: what is misleading about this?)
DC

In 1998 a departmental directive required all offshore applicants (persons not applying at their own visa post) to be interviewed.

Offshore applicants amounted to 48% of all applicants. Why would any business eliminate 48% of their customers you would logical think that to be suicide for any business.

Yet DC the numbers of FSW applications increased dramatically and so did the processing times.

In 1996 to complete 80% of all FSW applications from all Visa Posts it took 13 months!

After the departmental directive the processing times increased to 25 months to complete 80% of all FSW applications.

Now it is 67 months to complete 80% of all FSW applications from all visa posts.

Google the 2000 Audiotor general report.

India and China numbers dropped you and your one sided facts DC. DC or the SPIN Doctor!

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com

[08-02-2008,02:20]
[**.52.217.21]
Roy
(in reply to: what is misleading about this?)
That is why I was asking you for a specific type of immigrant class Roy, its so glaringly obvious that neither you or your friends are comfortable discussing that and choose to create diversions, no big deal, when there is a need I´ll put in my 2 cents, I think its better than going back and forth here, like this.
On a side note I think skilled worker migration from India to Australia is on the rise inspite of roaring economies.

[08-02-2008,02:42]
[**.112.73.220]
Raj