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1st : apology for the empty post...computer madness.
sharon:
Dubai is a tiny island...smaller than vancouver..may b the size of any small town in Canada. Dubai can not accept immigrants and offer them citizenship in this tiny sardine can. Dubai does not need immigrants but Canada does. Dubai needs workers and it sits its rules this way. Whether rules are fair or not this is another subject but people accept and go. people go for specific jobs..know all details in advance.
Regarding my cousin: he married the lady for love..they fell and still falling in love...he loves her NOT your Canada. The wife immigrated with her family long ago who are now Cnd citizens..who are working hard and paying tax into your system. They immigrated as business class. because of her love story she was always late in her residency status. It is her strong bond with her great family as the single reason as to why my cousin wanted to move in. As a well qualified and skilled doc, he thought the matter is no more than a moving job. How naive he was/he is. got it?
I hope I am clear now.
[02-02-2008,17:47]
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(in reply to: Cnd medical system #2)
Dubai does not offer citizenship because it does not want to- not because they can´t. If they can house, feed and accomodate workers year after year they can offer them status - that is, if they really wanted to.
Didn´t the wife of your cousin not fully appreciate that she was going to be faced with this choice when she married your cousin? Did she not read the Canadian newspapers, or talk to all of your friends?
When you marry someone, you create a new family and do what is best for your ´first family´- that happens to be the man she is married to.
So, instead of blaming Canada, perhaps suggest the wife of your cousin give her head a shake and tell her to buy some plane tickets when she misses her Mum.
I know you mock my personal life but I made it very clear to my guy from the first day that I would be foolish to leave my country or job - no matter how much I loved him. I would simply be giving up too much. I would be starting again in a different environment with no local experience (sound familiar) The decision about who would move where was based on where we could both have the best chance of a career that we wanted, lifestyle that we wanted and security.
He made the choice to come to Canada and I made the choice to be ready for endless plane tickets to his home country. Simple.
Love does not make you immune to using your brain and this issue is a no brainer.
[02-02-2008,19:00]
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Sharon |
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Canada needs people to fill the acute job shortage. These jobs are either the $8 per hour jobs or really skilled jobs like what we see in Alberta and other remote places, The fact that there is not many opportunities in the middle is kinda lost between numbers when you see people brandishing report about how many jobs are available..... numerically.
If you need a justification, then pick up any random job on the NOC list, and then go to any job search engine and try to see how many jobs are there, applying for the job is another animal, but this is just to get an idea.
I was in Canada last month and I had visited a temple where I met some sweet ladies (in the 60´s... don´t get any ideas now) who were talking to me about some job offers in the school near their residence and how much competition is there for that too. It made me realize that Canada also has a aging population trying to survive. So such nations needs young immigrants in the work force to give that push to the country, but without the right opportunities the immigrants really get wasted, please don´t bother to show us a couple of success stories.... no really !
Germany for one was/is in the same position, but they are attracting skills with jobs waiting for them, which is why its different from Canada, the bone of contention here is people who are migrating not because they fear for their life in the country where they reside, because for people who are in any such crisis in life, I totally agree Canada is the right place as it can give more than they can ask for.
There are people who are very adamant about their opinions, and the moment things/policies change in the future, they will be the first to jump on the bandwagon to say I told you so, its pretty pathetic really. Sutar, you should go back a few pages and look at all the posts that have 10 or 11 replies, and read through them, probably this issue has been discussed a million times already.
[02-02-2008,19:12]
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Raj |
(in reply to: Cnd medical system #2)
sharon
The original post was not about Dubai and Canada. I don´t care what Dubai does and dos not. My post was not about love and marriage, and why people marry each other. My cousin and his wife (and myself) do not blame Canada or anyone particular person. The original post was/is about a rigid stupid medical system in Canada. Dubai or any 3rd world country would never leave a VACANT position since 2005, to stay empty. Does this make sense? Canada governemet and their CIC should make sure they deliver good and adequate medical system to the rural remote areas before they can get fussy about other medical systems.
[02-02-2008,19:13]
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SutarB |
(in reply to: Cnd medical system #2)
Sutar, perhaps you need to do some more research. Canada does not regulate doctors and their accreditation - provinces do. Provinces has very little say in who Canada allows into the country with the exception of the PNP programs. You are right - Manitoba should insure there is a doctor in that community. There is a reason that job is empty - nobody wants to live there and any doctor who does live there complains desperately that they could earn twice the money if they were in a bigger city. Chance is extremely high that your cousin would not want to work there either. so, his wife would get to maintain her residency but he would be under employed and she would still be hours away from her family.
The solution is to pay ANY doctor, canadian or foreign trained ´remote compensation´ - end of problem for that small town in rural Manitoba.
I love reading expert opinions about the Canadian job market from people living in other countries. $8 an hour or remote locations. What a generalized pile of crap.
In today´s Vancouver Sun there are endless vacancies in the $25-30+ range. Only problem is they are not jobs typical immigrant professionals would be interested in or able to fill. As an example
General Manager - Civic Construction company
Quality Control manager - heavy civil construction industry
executive director - forest products industry
Electrician and Millwright - agribusiness
Cheif Administrative Officer - Municiple Finance Authority
Admin Assistant - Delta School board
Auditor - Real estate Council
Geologist - Diavik Diamond mines
Executive Director- economic development Society
Senior Buyer - Vancouver School board
Product Manager - ATCO electric
Rehabilitation Program manager- Surrey Community services
General Manager - Nelson Hydro
Director, Partner relations and marketing - BC government
Chronic Disease Epidemologist - BC government
Speach language pathologist - school district of Nanaimo
I am on page 2/8 of the big ads. I have not even opened the classifieds or checked the various job posting websites.
[02-02-2008,20:23]
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Sharon |
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Like I said before, this list sounds impressive, and most of the immigrants who are in those fields and who want to take those jobs up cannot take up these immediately because of lack of local experience, so how is this list going to help them ?
I agree, its a pile of crap for sure.
And now you can open page 3.
[02-02-2008,21:47]
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Raj |
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Raj, you just changed your story line. You said there were no jobs unless they were remote or $8. that is simply not true.
What is true is that many of the professional positions out there may not be a good fit for a newly landed immigrant because of local experience, command of business english or specific licensing. OR, another consideration - those NOC codes that would be assigned to the listed jobs are attracting no immigrants period.
not sure how to fix that. Give a new Canadian 2-3 years in the country and they would be more than qualified for many of those positions.
Employers can´t find adequate staff and immigrants can´t find adequate jobs. So, who needs to adjust? The job still needs to be done by someone.
[02-02-2008,22:23]
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Sharon |
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Sharon,
Where did you come up with the figure 2-3 years, any study you can point out that shows us that skilled immigrants are happily employed in the jobs of their skill 2-3 yrs after they land ?
If you show food to the hungry but don´t let them eat it, they will still be hungry in spite of you saying that there is food, so I don´t think the story line has changed.
I give you the issue with language barrier though, and even I would want some of the professions to be licensed. But the point here is that if you are coming in as skilled immigrant I would assume that that skill would be in demand. If an electrician is immigrating under family class then I strongly support that he or she needs to go thru´ the licensing process, but if you don´t have a demand for a certain job category, the CIC should take it off the NOC list or make sure the immigrant can settle down in a reasonable time frame.
[02-02-2008,22:52]
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Raj |
(in reply to: Cnd medical system #2)
as Sutar stated earlier, Doctor is not on the NOC list but they still come and still complain. Should we ban anyone from immigrating simply because of their chosen profession?
what do we do with people that change their career 3-5 times in a life time? What do we do with people that have no problem adapting their skill set to the current working environment - it is not just new Canadians that have to do this - just ask the Atlantic fisherman or the guys in the lumber industry in BC. Just ask the guy who repairs VCR´s. Change or be unemployed is not a problem exclusive to new Canadians.
[02-02-2008,23:43]
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Sharon |
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what you are saying is okay when a person is established, you can change a job now if you want, because for you its a choice, you can fall back if you want. Usually new immigrants don´t have such luxury.
Also as far as banning everyone is concerned, I never said that, I am saying that if you are allowing someone to come in as skilled immigrant, show them the job, else have them come in as some other category.
I´m still waiting for more evidence on the 2-3 years statement you made.
[03-02-2008,00:33]
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Raj |
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http://thechronicleherald.ca/Business/1034978.html
This is a very encouraging article..... only till you get to the last couple of paragraphs, so I guess we can contemplate here on who needs to adjust.
I totally agree with the article on how Australia and New Zealand is doing a better job than Canada.
[03-02-2008,00:44]
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Raj |
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