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Hi everyone
Please notice that I always make or try to make genuine topics. I say this before anyone can claim he/she is more Canadian than me. I pay tax to Canada from here. The Cnd company here would have to struggle if they miss my communication and social skills where I work. Canada needs immigrants as the immigrants need Canada. Does it matter and does it make difference if someone cliams being the 3rd generation or even 99th generation? Immigrants at least are able to humble themselves and look after the senility "SENIORS" of Canada because their offsprings can not or not willing to look after them.
Again I say this to avoid any unnecessary fight.
My cousin is a well qualified and skilled doctor. He has obtained Diploma, Member of Royal College of Physicians of UK plus PhD from one well known top univeristy in UK PLUS 12 years UK clinical, hospital and research experience. Currently he got a well paid offer from Dubai (all documents are avaialble if needed). The salary in Dubai is equal to 13000 UDD per month...(tax free, house free, and also local transport and phone free) + annual tickets flights.
His wife is a PR of Canada. He wanted to sacrifice all and join his wife and family into Canada. he does not mind working in rural harsh North Manitoba. He applied to a job in north Man. This job is advertised and vacant since 2005 (the link is available if needed). He is the specialist and the perfect fill for the job. Does it mean anything that a job is still vacant from 2005 till now? Guess what? he is advised to restart all again in Canada as a new graduate and take the Cnd re-qualification exams. Are the patients in Canada more precious and more valuable than those English red-neck patient (that is if we disregard patient classes in human nature)
I need your comment please. Correct me if I was wrong. I advised him either to remain in UK or to throw his wife PR card into the nearest rubbish bin and take the job in the warm friendly Dubai. What do you think?
[02-02-2008,08:53]
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SutarB |
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(in reply to: Is Canad racist or stupid or both? or am I the one)
SutarB,
To answer your original question; a country can´t be stupid or racist or so ever. It´s more like how it is ruled by the Govt. hence by the people.
The similar issue I always talk, not just talking about a particular Mr.X or myself. There are many thousands cases like that. I talk with collective stats & reports. Result is; nothing. Only some comments provoking personality clash. This becomes a holy biblical war.
However, partricular to the physicians, I think licensure is a must. Health issue is very critical, anybody from anywhere of the world can´t start practice in any country without proper licensing. Though it grossly generalizes physicians of the similar or even higher standard countries with the under countries. A physician from UK, Australia, US, or any western European cointries must get privilege over the ones from India, Pk, or Bd (lets try to forget that many Americans/Canadians even go to India for treatment). Currently, no matter from where you are graduated, you have to start from the very begining. This is ridiculous. Specailly where there is a physician shortage and citizens have to wait in long queue there valuable human resources are being wasted like that. Funny thing, Canada is not the best healtcare provider in the world anymore. If you are graduated from the more developed system you have to accept the same fate. How fair does it sound?
The famous/infamous n-o-t-c-a-n-a-d-a.c-om was crreated by some disgruntled physicians who were graduted from overseas returned to Canada and felt highly disaapointed by this ridiculous generalization rule. The founder of that site came to Canada when he was only 2 years old, spent his entire life in Canada except his graduation. Now they are all settled in the USA.
I understand and fully agree that local licensure is needed for all professions. That doesn´t mean that all degreess from outside of Canada are bad. In my profession I nknow there are many milestone achievements performed by the Engineers in the middle east (rememeber the 3 huge resort Islands), or many below standard Asian countries. They definitely have world class merits. Landing in Canada they will all become worthless with "sub standard" degrees? How lower the standard of Uk, Australian degree may be? Well judgement.
I didn´t travel much in the world, so can´t tell who are most stupid or racist, but can´t tell for that nowhere in the world valuable human resources are being wasted like that.
If I were him I would prepare myself for USA or back to UK. To me, my profession is above all. Don´t know about him.
Oh ho, may tell him to go to Ft. Mucmurray, the land of magic which has sol´n to all immigrants job market which immigrants don´t know.
[02-02-2008,11:59]
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Departed_Canadian |
(in reply to: Is Canad racist or stupid or both? or am I the one)
R U asking people here to post their opinions on whether or not your ignorant or racist, SutarB?
Why do you like opening yourself up to personal attacks?
I will try poliely to inform your relative of his options and will not comment on your title of this posting or your knowledge or lack there of.
Your relative can very quickly have his credentials assessed very quickly by logging on to the BC PNP Health Watch program.
Since Health Professionals in each province are regualted by that actual province your relative has nine other provinces and three territories that will probaly accept him if his credentials are as you say.
Roy
www.cvimmigration.com
[02-02-2008,12:01]
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Roy |
(in reply to: Is Canad racist or stupid or both? or am I the one)
D_C
If US is his choice as you recommend, isn´t it the same? I mean he needs to restart all again and sit for the equivalant exams? what a waste!!
What about his wife? how can she fulfill her family part while under residential obligation in Canada?
BTW: I am not against or even talking about the credential process for licensing. The licensing issue is a MMUST in every country. I am talking about the way they do this and the way the value different system graduation...I hope you got what I mean.
Roy,
No, I am telling you a real story and we all know of the shrinking health care in Canada and shortage of docs.
Thanks for the information anyway
[02-02-2008,13:15]
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SutarB |
(in reply to: Is Canad racist or stupid or both? or am I the one)
Roy
Forgot to mention that: "may be my over sensitivity has led to the title of my post".
It has been rubbed into my face, several times in this forum as follows: " this is Canada and this is how we are...if you don´t like it , leave it". I thought you are aware of this.
[02-02-2008,13:22]
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SutarB |
(in reply to: Is Canad racist or stupid or both? or am I the one)
SutarB
See if your relative would of hired a quality representative before he applied his position should of been locked in. Certain Provinces will approve Engineers from one country but not from a certain other country while other provinces will.
Anyone who is educated in England as you claim your relative was should have done more research before applying to go to Northern Manitoba.
Or am I wrong?
This is a man who speaks perfect English not like those to our south. Any Doctor relative should have spent some of the money he was making so easily in Dubai because he was saving all his money from not having alcohol or gambling losses.
RESEARCH person like you and DC could of really helped this Doctor do it right. His partner was a PR as well so why did she not retain some quality assistance.
It is easy to blame others when the majority of the blame lies with yourself, SutarB.
Roy Kellogg
www.cvimmigration.com
[02-02-2008,14:36]
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Anonymous |
(in reply to: Is Canad racist or stupid or both? or am I the one)
SutarB,
In the US, as far as I know he has to take some exams, but that is less than half the efforts he has to take in Canada. Most probably he has to take 2 parts of USMLE exam (not sure though, but it was the usual course). Then has to take residency in a hospital for some years (likely 3 years).
Last year one of my cousin came there from Ireland.
Anonymous,
For the pyhsicians my view is little different. Yes, I fully agree that they can´t blame Canada as CIC doesn´t have any Physician category in their NOC.
I wish they would see such sites before this venture:
http://www.caribbeanmedicine.com/openletter.htm
Though if I were a Canadian waiting in the queue languishing in pain for doctor shortage and at the same time see such qualified doctors are keeping away by the rigid system then certainly I wouldn´t be happy and simply tell him to blame himself. What do you think?
"Patrick Coady, co-ordinator of a group that assists the Association of International Medical Doctors of British Columbia, agrees. ?We have people who have been the heads of emergency medicine in hospitals servicing a population of a million, anesthetists who have been practising for 20 years. After they pass all the exams, go through all the hoops, they can?t even mop a floor in a hospital let alone work as a medical professional.?
Vancouver MP Dr. Hedy Fry, a medical doctor and the parliamentary secretary to Citizenship and Immigration Minister Judy Sgro, believes that we have to look at fast-tracking. ?Do we always have to have doctors come in and spend a year in residency?? she asks. ?When do we start valuing foreign experience? Europe is ahead of us on this. You can be trained in Italy and work in the United Kingdom. We?re lagging.?
The Medical Council of Canada?s Dr. Dale Dauphinee is more blunt: ?We are shooting ourselves in the foot.?
[02-02-2008,15:42]
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Departed_Canadian |
(in reply to: Is Canad racist or stupid or both? or am I the one)
contrary to popular opinion here, this is not a government regulation problem. This is a political/power problem within the College of Physicians and Surgeons. Those colleges are solely responsible for issuing licenses to practice. Same is true for dentists, teachers etc. They set the criteria for licensing. They also control how many residency positions they are willing to accept (as it is a mentoring process). This process is not exclusive to Canada so don´t bother throwing rocks.
is it right - no. is it something the Government of Canada should over ride - as much as it is within their ability.
Should prospective immigrants with this sort of training be careful about their decision- absolutely.
[02-02-2008,16:32]
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Sharon |
(in reply to: Is Canad racist or stupid or both? or am I the one)
I think there has been a misunderstanding here. The man (my doc...cousin) has already got his prestigeous position in UK. He has an excelent offer from Dubai as we read above. He just wanted to join his wife and family. So he is not desparate. My point is to highlight how rigid the system can be and how it can hurt the Canadians themselves.
BTW: I am not sure if the Anonymous is Roy. Two different IPs
[02-02-2008,16:35]
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SutarB |
(in reply to: Is Canad racist or stupid or both? or am I the one)
SutarB,
I also feel it in simialr way. Ultimately Candians are suffering, Canada is losing bacuase of the rigid system.
It is not worthy here (in this forum) to investigate whose fault this is. Like Sharon says, the licensing authority. That doesn´t matter a lot. What does matter is the effect.
Whether it is the Govt. or the respective authority the result stands the same. We are talking about system. That consists Govt., licensing authority...to the general people. This isn´t Govt.´s fault so we can overlook? Doesn´t feel justified.
[02-02-2008,16:48]
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Departed_Canadian |
(in reply to: Is Canad racist or stupid or both? or am I the one)
that is great that your cousin has a good offer from Dubai. There appears to be a huge opportunity for those willing to trade equality (if you are a woman), and citizenship (chance of becoming a Dubai citizen are vitually zero). Dubai is awash in cash and desperate for workers and professionals. it is a great choice for many - including Canadian citizens who want to see the world and make some serious money.
I doubt that there will be an over night change in how doctors are licensed. This would suggest that your cousin and his wife have to make some tough choices. The wife is likely needing to keep her PR active but it will mean her husband has to set aside his profession for at least the time being. Tough decision for some. Not sure I would do it but I guess it depends on what is motivating them to even consider it. UK lifestyle and standard of living is not that different than Canada. Why not stay there and have your cousin´s wife take out her residency there? It is not like the UK is a 3rd world country!
there certainly has to be better options than the one you are presenting. The decision has to make sense on all levels and if Canada and its rules don´t satisfy the need - take it off the consideration list.
[02-02-2008,17:19]
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Sharon |
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