Paradise? U.S. faces decline in skilled workers

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Subject: Paradise? U.S. faces decline in skilled workers
  Sharon,
you make me laugh, no really !
I think its a great thing if you choose to not repeat your points again and again, frankly even I am sick of it. But since you just don´t get it the million times a debate on a certain topic about "skilled" immigration is made, why don´t you let other post their opinions backed up by research. And if you can make your point by saying that you saw some guy from turkey make it good in Canada, and hey guys there you go.... the immigrants succeed in Canada, then all I can do is just laugh. As the head line in your article says.... "skilled" so its better you stick to the topic and not deviate from it.

As far as the article you posted, I agree with it completely, more people are returning back not because they are underemployed, but because of other issues that still leave uncertanity in their lives. If you look at the larger picture though, I am sure that inspite of what it may seem, skilled labor is still going to come into the USA for the most important reason.... you will be able to use your education and your previous experience to do a job that is pretty close to the job you were doing before. Their life is not a struggle for housing or food. You asked me why don´t I have the same gracious attitude towards Canada.... well I hope you have your answer, and if you don´t.... its no big deal ! Only thing I see is if the economy collapses, then maybe it will change ! Now I respect Canada for offering a better life to one and all who are really struggling in their home country, so its not that I don´t have a good attitude towards Canada, but hey don´t generalize things.

It may be a surprise for you, but the average family incomes of people who come on H1B visas and who are processing their immigration are much much much above average American income, can you show that stats for skilled immigrants to Canada ? Hmmmm.... thats what I thought. Well now you may say this argument is again going after material things and you are not looking into the bigger picture, well then my question to you is.... how many people who are struggling to make ends meet even think about "the bigger picture" ?
The work "skilled" itself means that they have something that most don´t, so no matter where they go, if they can be better off than the general public, then its a good thing for them, why is high school better than no school ? PHD better than a bachelors ? go figure....

Happy thanks giving !!

[22-11-2007,20:46]
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Raj
(in reply to: Paradise? U.S. faces decline in skilled workers)
Thanksgiving was in October for Canada. Happy American Thanksgiving.




[22-11-2007,21:31]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Paradise? U.S. faces decline in skilled workers)
Interesting Raj.

I promised earlier that I wouldn´t present any data/stat today in honor of thanksgiving, otherwise I could present some salary info. about the H-1B workers (modern day slaves) and for sure their counterpart immigrants in Canada.

I wouldn´t mind at all if somone prefers Canada. I honor him/her. But if someone starts comparing the job oppurtunities or what is more popular destination for immigration then I would simply laugh like you.

[22-11-2007,23:16]
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Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: Paradise? U.S. faces decline in skilled workers)
why don´t the two of you start up a US immigration website. You have all the necessary information and you have clearly determined it is the best place on earth. Leave horrible Canada to those who aren´t as enlightened as you are.

[23-11-2007,00:05]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Paradise? U.S. faces decline in skilled workers)
People who go to US on employment visas want to get green card even though they were told in the beginning itself that they are temporary workers. Immigration to US is a privilege and not their right. I see a lot of people complaining how US immigration system is ruining their lives. I would just say that US did not force them to come. They accepted the job offers. US did not even tell them that they will get green card later on. People knew the rules but now are blaming the system out of their own selfishness.

Canadian immigration on the other hand does paint a picture of success as people are lured in as skilled workers but a lot of them end up struggling. Here the system can be blamed to some extent as people were implicitly told that their skills are recognized in Canada and they will be able to easily settle down. But again they should have done some research before taking the plunge.

Long queues for US immigration are similar to Canadian immigration. For US you wait while making money there. For Canada, you wait in your home country. I guess only difference you lose out on making in dollars.

For those saying US foreign policy is pathetic, we should not forget that every country is self-centered when it comes to foreign policy. Last week, I read Canada has put more sanctions on Myanmar. However, the same country is trading openly with China and several other countries which are undemocratic and human rights abuser. The same goes for every country be it US, England, or Canada. I guess when it comes to foreign policy every country sees its benefits.

UN (world?s governing body on paper) itself is a joke of which both US and Canada are members. It has veto for permanent members of Security Council. By the way, the permanent members have glorious pasts: dropping the atomic bomb, killing millions in the name of Cultural Revolution (Mao Zedong), political killings (Stalin), and two countries with imperial history (France and England). So, I guess saying US?s foreign policy can be the main reason to immigrate to Canada is not totally correct and may be a decision which is overlooking certain details, as I believe every country is pursuing its self interests.

In my opinion, both countries will continue to attract people because Asia may be growing but still it needs almost 100 years of growth to be anywhere near the standards of western world.

By the way we all are selfish; some of us get motivated by material gains and some by other interests. Ultimately, it?s our selfishness which is making us move to other countries.

On a side note, I read a few days back that a radio presenter was sacked for making some anti-immigrant remarks. I do actually support him. People who joined the RCMP knew the rules, so, they should have followed the same. Women who insisted on covering their faces in public should have realized that country should come before religion. You are in a new country, you follow their rules but they are able to find some politician who will further his career by using their situation. I find it difficult to comprehend that people are willing to move out of their home countries, leave their families and everything but are not willing to leave their religions or willing to make small compromises. What is more important Religion or Country, a question I ask a lot of people? Everyone says country but I feel deep down most of them will go for religion. No wonder fundamentalists are able to exploit people.

[23-11-2007,01:20]
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Samm
(in reply to: Paradise? U.S. faces decline in skilled workers)
Sharon,
I am just giving advice pertaining to my realm, and that is skilled migration and I compare USA and Canada for the benefit of current and future immigrants.
A lot of things are misleading and its really helpful for immigrants to understand what they can expect.

I know you are mad because you are a Canadian, and I do not expect you to react in any different manner. I do not respond to each and every post that you type in here, believe me, I have better things to do. I am not into Canada bashing, but for lack of better wordings... you could say skilled immigration bashing definitely !! Its nothing personal, if you had paid more attention to what we write in the posts you should have figured that out a long time ago.... sigh !

[23-11-2007,01:23]
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Raj
(in reply to: Paradise? U.S. faces decline in skilled workers)
perhaps our definition of skilled is too narrow.
[23-11-2007,02:18]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Paradise? U.S. faces decline in skilled workers)
do you think the people that complain the most are those who were the priviledged in their own countries and they don´t like the reality check?

the NOC list of skills is significantly broader than your personal definition of ´skilled´ and perhaps adaptation should be on there too.

[23-11-2007,11:53]
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Sharon
(in reply to: Paradise? U.S. faces decline in skilled workers)
To Samms comments: Disagree that all countries have the same negative foeign policy and therefore morality is lacking everywhere. Canada is highly repected around the world for its humanitarian positions in its foreign relations. Cannot be said for many other countries.

Along these lines, many people choose where they want to live based on their own personal morality and integrity, and other qulaities of life. To say we´re simply all selfish and will follow mindlessly to anywhere that gives the most consumerism is not true for everyone.

DC: Point taken about under-countries and which country most wanting to move to. The largest economy in the world will always attract the poorest. When you´re hungry you don´t think right, wrong, morality, ethics, etc. I agree. But once past that, many make different choices. Other economies are also strong but offer other values. I know I´m a lone voice here on the ethical and social side of this debate.

[23-11-2007,13:20]
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Richard
(in reply to: Paradise? U.S. faces decline in skilled workers)
Sharon,

This topic wasn´t started by Raj or I:). Started by you. You should´ve written something like "Raj/DC please don´t participate and Give me an Open Field to Score".

If you start writing something then should´ve prepared yourself to listen the opposite thoughts. I know we 2 here use to make your life tougher.

Paradise term was also brought by you, nott Raj or I. Nothing is paradise on the earth; It is sort of relative. For the educated professionals US is still the paradise in that sense, and for the assylum seekers, Canada. If can´t digest the fact then shouldn´t bring this issue.

Allegation aganist long queue of US GC is nicely explained by Samm in his 1ts Para. US Govt. never advertize itself as the "Land of Oppurtunities" or lure anyone with the hope of GC. It is not right, a privilege. Only some high intelect brains can think that as "slavery".

[23-11-2007,13:30]
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Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: Paradise? U.S. faces decline in skilled workers)
Richard,

You may be the only voice, but we all value your opinion. If compare between USA/Canada then acknowledge that 1st, then no problem.

Other economies may offer different values, but still US is the no.1 choice without any debate. You have to acknowledge that, then criticize it like as you said.


[23-11-2007,13:36]
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Departed_Canadian