freedom of speech

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Subject: freedom of speech
  those familiar with the charter of rights and freedoms would tell you that charter is not a license to say anything you want anywhere you want. There are still slander laws, libel laws, hate laws, etc.

We forget this website is not a street corner in the downtown of one of our cities. It is a private website that is available to use under the conditions set out by the webmaster. It is no different than being invited into somebody´s house for dinner - it is their house.

As I mentioned the other day, I was told there was a housecleaning choice- clean up the threads, even if the orginal post was valid, the garbage that followed may have given cause to delete. The other option was to start banning participants. Under the circumstances I think the webmaster was fair by giving everyone an equal chance to adjust our behaviour. If we can´t, I have been told more than once that there is very little keeping this site active. It is of no value to the webmaster and he would just as happily shut it down as keep it going. I don´t think we want to test his enthusiasm.

Belwant, if you still want to have access to your slander, just google your name. alot of it is still coming up along side all your newspaper clippings and website. Same is true for Roy. I would say that is pretty horrid advertising for both of you.

There are people here looking for assistance. they are not interested in the war of words and the conspiracy theories. They have no idea what we are talking about. Let´s take advantage of that fact and move on to more productive conversations.



[20-10-2007,19:15]
[**.104.75.4]
sharon
(in reply to: freedom of speech)
I can´t figure it out. Roy and Balwant are drinking buddies at the local Toronto pub and often have lunch together. Yet here they seem to be mortal enemies locked in deadly verbal combat.

Can someone please explain? Because I like them both, as they both give sage advice and assistance. I wish they would stop pecking at each other, because each of these excellent immigration consultants provides their own unique perspective and experiences based on different backgrounds. In my mind, their services compliment each other here for the variety of clientele here, rather than conflict.

So I say truce. Please? There´s room for both.




[20-10-2007,22:59]
[**.53.226.12]
Richard
(in reply to: freedom of speech)
Richard, I am with you on this one.
[20-10-2007,23:10]
[**.104.75.4]
sharon
(in reply to: freedom of speech)
sharon

Get yourself out of it and then they both will be fine.

[20-10-2007,23:28]
[**.109.54.140]
SutarB
(in reply to: freedom of speech)
perhaps you can take the same advice as what you just gave me.
[21-10-2007,03:13]
[**.104.75.4]
sharon
(in reply to: freedom of speech)
OK! I stayed out of each irresponsive post all this time hoping that this will end. But to me it seems like everytime there is a calm, Sharon in some ways ignites things and makes people fight! I am getting the impression that Sharon likes dog fights! I dont like writing the names of those who I think are responsible for irresponsible statements but C´mon... there has to be an end or a limit at some point!

Guys, I read posts which may have taken upto 20 mins to post and all I read is blamegame or hatered! Do you guys really think its worth your time? OR are you guys using the time you should be dedicating to your jobs, into posting these threads?!

Did you guys forget the purpose of this website? Its about helping people. Take your wars to your personal e-mails. This is not an entertainment website. This is an information seeking website... needless to say its the hard work of some philanthropists not anthrophobics...

[21-10-2007,03:33]
[**.57.60.69]
Almost Perfect!!
(in reply to: freedom of speech)
Richard/Sharon True

I did not forget, never have forgot, what this forum is about. It is always good to keep up with others who have simlair issues (negative or positive) in the same business.

Have tried and tried to ascertain why Mr. Persaud is so concerned regarding race, third world issues when it was never raised in the posting etc. I have virtually none SW applicants and prefer to assist others who are already in Canada to remain in Canada. Mr. Persaud´s clientale are trying to get to Canada and they have a totally different set of concerns.

History shows very clearly that most shysters or fraud artist are the ones employed at the various visa posts, not consultants. In most visa posts in first second or third wold countries the locally engaged employees as well as the Canadian´s are the ones with their hands in the cookie jars. I have informed Mr. Persaud of an incident that one of my clients have had to endure and he has told me of many.

In the last four auditor general reports on CIC Econmic componet the payment process for visa´s have come under attack. In most visa posts there is one window to hand in your documents PPT etc and to pick up your items. Then there is another window to pay for fees. All they use is a simple cash register!

There is no connection between cash received and how many visa´s were applied for or issued. Too many fees are the same price like a Visitor Visa for an adult and a permanent resident visa for a child etc. etc.

I agree that the internet can be a very negative tool regarding advertisements because postings end up on it for ever with little or no control. Whenm I first talked to Sharon when some one posted asking for good consultants or lawyers in the GTA greater Toronto area. Then the person answered it with the same IP address.

That posting always comes up when someone googles my name. Not a thing I can do about that.

REPUTATION is huge in our business. Consultants can advertise until the cows come home and a brand new Lawyer right out of Law school with no knowledge or experience puts up his/her shingle and grabs the client. Mr. Persaud never has really gotten over the complaint regarding his web site and I understand that because I have been there too.

I believe strongly in the phrase (WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND). When I was successful in bringing back the De Sousa family on a work permit and CBC TV reported that I was a Lawyer apparently 16 consultants filed complaints against me with CSIC for pretending to be a Lawyer. Not one single member of the public nor any of the De Sousas. I was called by the investigations department regarding the complaints while on CBC radio I was being interviewed stating all the while that I was a consultant. The complaint went awway but it still bothers me immensly!

Bally I would never personally file a complaint against another consultant unless ordered to do so and even then highly unlikely. Never filed a complaint against you, never would. No matter what!

Willing for a truce if you are. PEACE

Nobody put me up to write this.

Roy
www.cvimmigration.com



[21-10-2007,08:52]
[**.52.217.193]
Roy
(in reply to: freedom of speech)
I THINK THAT MUST BE IT.

PLEASE....

As Almost Perfect says, you guys are all busy consultants with high hourly rate, please utilize your time effectively there and use this forum just as a courtesy service with an added benefit of your ad. for free.

None should brag/complain about own/others business or assume sole ownership of this site.

[21-10-2007,09:42]
[***.254.208.242]
Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: freedom of speech)
PEACE TO ALL, including Roy.
Let´s get on with our usual business and help each other and the others that are seeking help.

If you do not agree with a posting, please write your disagreement in a polite and civilized way. We can disagree with the views of others but let us be gentle and polite when we disagree. There must be some disagreement and debate but the personal attacks must stop.

Peace and love to all this Sunday morning.

www.canadaimmigrationbpa.com



[21-10-2007,12:57]
[**.158.148.181]
Balwant
(in reply to: freedom of speech)
I hope at last everybody will keep their words.
[21-10-2007,13:34]
[***.254.208.242]
Departed_Canadian
(in reply to: freedom of speech)
Hey Sharon you still screwin around the damn net raising hell against this guy and that guy. Woman you need a good hard load of love. I will see ya tonight. Just leave them fellers aside for now and wash up well... And you will get that great loada´ love tonight. I think we should engage in slow massage sessions, maybe that would help ya stay away from net?
[21-10-2007,14:20]
[***.202.38.47]
Sharon's Lover